Anatomy of Major Trade

One of the prevailing notions about the Tim Tebow trade was that it was a publicity stunt by the Jets forced on the team by it’s owner.  In a recent long-form article from the AP, Mike Tannenbaum talked at length about the pressure he feels in putting together a tough team and he addressed how and why the Jets traded for Tim Tebow.  Apparently, it began in the airport when Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan were on the way to Quinton Coples’ Pro Day.

The two were sipping on Ben & Jerry’s vanilla milkshakes and preparing to go to North Carolina’s pro day – where they’d see their eventual first-round pick Quinton Coples – when the wheels starting spinning in Tannenbaum’s mind. It was becoming apparent that Peyton Manning was going to Denver and Tebow would be available.

“I turned to Rex and said, ‘What do you think?'” Tannenbaum recalled.

“I thought, ‘Wow!'” Ryan said. “I was kind of shocked about it. I didn’t know what it was going to take for us to get him, but I knew that with Mike, we would definitely find out.”

The two spoke to owner Woody Johnson and new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, who ran the wildcat offense with Miami and knew Tebow from the Senior Bowl a few years earlier. Tebow to the Jets? Even though they still had Sanchez, and just signed him to an extension?

“We were the only four people on the planet who knew about it,” Tannenbaum said. “We felt unanimously that this man could help us win football games. That’s why we got him. When the price and the risk are reasonable, you have to be opportunistic in this business.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

For all the recent attacks on Mike Tannenbaum, mostly because of the struggles we’ve seen so far from the offense and the bad play at the right tackle spot, Tannenbaum is an absolute master at identifying value and then assigning the right level of compensation/cost to go along with it at minimal impact to the Jets.  For as crazy as the situation seems, Tebow is just another example of how the Jets feel like they are going to derive serious value out of a position that is mostly a lost roster spot on many other teams around the league.

It’s an absolute risk, but we understand why Tannenbaum would be willng to take it.




58 comments
bockers74
bockers74

The Knicks should retire Mase's #14.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@bockers74  Why cause he died relatively young? I loved Mase's grit & toughness back in the day but he's not even close to being an all time great Knick worthy of that honor. I'm sorry

1harris1
1harris1

@bockers74 I'm assuming this comment isn't sarcasm, although it could be seeing how inspired they played last night.


I loved Mase too, but he wasn't the level of player that you would normally associate with a retired number.

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

They will win a few games here in there with the record they have they will secure the 1-4 pick. They have a west cost trip coming up that will cost them to lose those games. I don't want them to win a lot so we can get the top pick but winning helps them to build towards next year. Knicks will still get a top pick and bring T. Harris and Monroe Knicks will be nice. But they also have to get a lead guard to run the team this summer

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

NY may waived Calderon. It will save 4 mill in cap space for next 2 seasons. It's called "stretch" something.

preybird
preybird

@M&M; Consultants Agreed, but it may be difficult to move Calderon. If we end up drafting a guard, Calderon could be a good mentor; but then we'd have a glut of guards. I predict Larkin doesn't return next year.

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

I think we're signing Gasol and Harris. Drafting Okafor. Firmly belive the draft lotto is fixed and we're getting #1 pick

rico
rico

When promoted from the D League to the D-Knicks this winter Galloway was asked who he''d compare himself to in the NBA.  He replied with "I'd like to be like Chauncey Billups"...for the last two games he certainly has been "Mr Big Shot".  He also seems like a smart player. 

preybird
preybird

@rico Yep. He only scored six points last night, but they really counted. I like his rebounding and knack for finding the loose ball, too. Definitely mature for his age.

upstater
upstater

Come on, get your facts straight -- the Knicks won 3 in a row in January.

rico
rico

@upstater they said that on the broadcast last night too and I shook my head (and wondered) 

1harris1
1harris1

@upstater I think the meant it was the first time they won games on back to back nights?  I don't remember if that happened when they had their three game winning streak before.

1harris1
1harris1

The bench is obviously important for any contending team, but let's get a legitimate starting 5 first.  I'm not buying into this recent run by Bargnani; to much negative history with him.  If he wants to come back next season on a minimum deal, that's fine.  I imagine he's looking for significantly more than that though.


I could see Galloway as a rotation piece next season, coming off the bench.

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

30 is young for Sombody who's missed as much time as Bargs

preybird
preybird

@1harris1 I agree with your point about Bargnani; he's still young and auditioning for a nice pay-day. He's the quintessential modern-day big man who can shoot from the outside and drive to the hoop when he's inspired. As Henry Casanova said, Amundson is a keeper. This Shved kid is interesting too: I like how crafty he is with the ball. Could be a good role player. 

preybird
preybird

@upstater @preybird @1harris1 Bargnani isn't a whipper-snapper, but he is in his prime; that's why I don't expect him to sign at the vets minimum. When healthy and motivated, he's a legit offensive threat, as evidenced the last two games. 

Henry Casanova
Henry Casanova

Amundson to me is a definite resign at the minimum. That energy big man seems to be part of all championship teams. I'm not sure I see a 6th man for a championship team out there. Hardaway could be it, but he would need to improve his handle and attack the basket more. Any 6th man possibilities out there in FA?

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Galloway is a decent ball player. I can see bargnani on this team next year too. Melo hardaway Bargnani Calderon is a decent start. If we get a solid player in the draft and add Gasol and a another very good player we will def compete in the east.

upstater
upstater

@Mike Dell Italia You're being sarcastic, right? All 3 of those guys except Melo have been awful this year. They all need to go.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Nah Galloway is a decent ball player, Calderon will be better with a better team around him, Timmy will be a nice piece off the bench next year.

bblessed
bblessed

I like the kid Galloway... I think he's the kind of player we need for sure

Robert Watkis
Robert Watkis

knicks are starting  to look like a team but we all must wait to hear what fat arkley has to say I cant wait

rico
rico

@Robert Watkis Barkley hates NY, hates the Knicks and no matter what they do he'll always take shots at NY.  I choose to laugh at the clown.  

brad5614
brad5614

Bargs will be a knick next year... One yr deal as 6 or 7 th man... He's a fit for triangle

mrgee
mrgee

@brad5614 He should be willing to play a year for free.  Kind of feel like he owes it to us. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@mrgee @brad5614  It's not like he's been here a long time to feel that way though like if this was Amare we were talking about though. He only got traded here a couple years ago.

Jayson Williams
Jayson Williams

I want to know why Bargnani is still on the team. I'm glad he is playing well but I feel it's a little too late to be showcasing his game. Chances are he won't be around next season. Glad Hardaway and Galloway are starting in the backcourt. I hope Early finds his groove soon.

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

I wouldn't be opposed to resigning Bargs on the cheap. He'd be deadly off the bench

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Jayson Williams  I agree. If this was a month ago or so before the trade deadline I'd get it. But right now him playing well and helping them win games only hurts their future. And Bargs has absolutely no future with this team so his minutes would be much better off served going to someone who might.

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

The Knicks are building a bench and Timmy Jr. is starting to play defense. Fisher and the Knicks will have the last laugh next year. 

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

Phil is doing something we all over look. He has brought in pieces that work together. Bring in the free agents and draft pick the Knicks are going to be special next year.

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

Just waiting on a negative troll to shoot this down.

1harris1
1harris1

@Joshua Anselmo Yeah, heaven forbid anybody be negative about the job Phil has done this season.  


We'll see about next year.

mrgee
mrgee

@M&M; Consultants Yeah, but if we keep winning, kiss that super-high draft pick goodbye. That'd be such a shame. 

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

Phil got us the number 1 over all draft pick this year!! It was a tebuild year!! Did u expect a championship?? We got rid of 7 key players/starters. How's it not evident on what phils doing??!

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Joshua Anselmo  Phil said before the season that the Knicks were definitely a playoff team so this clearly was not his plan and he did not consider this a rebuild year. And Phil can't get us any draft pick much less the #1 pick as it's luck of the draw in the lottery. So even with the worst record they could still end up with the #4 pick. And potentially even worse if they don't finish with the worst record

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@M&M; Consultants  Special is way too far. Much better or good obviously. But let's see what FAs Phil is gonna be able to get to sign here 1st. I have a strong feeling it's gonna very disappointing to most.

1harris1
1harris1

@Joshua Anselmo Phil wasn't coming into this season looking to position the team for a shot at the number 1 draft pick.  Be real already; this season has been a disaster for him.


The jury is still out on Phil.  I believe greatly in his acumen, but he's proven nothing thus far as an executive.  We'll see what happens this summer.

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

It's called tampering. You could loose your draft pick under those rules

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

Let's not forget dumping Chandler and Felton before the year even tipped off!

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

Yall really thought we were going somewhere with jason smith and Cole aldridge das our starting centers lmfao

1harris1
1harris1

@Joshua Anselmo No, of course not.  But he also didn't expect to be the worst team in the league.  It's ridiculous for anybody to think Phil came into this season looking to tank to position the team for the top pick.  It might work out that way, but I'm not giving him credit for that.


It's all about what he does in the summer, free agency wise. That's why he was brought here (that, and Dolan was desperate to keep Carmelo).

1harris1
1harris1

@Joshua Anselmo No, of course not.  But he also didn't expect to be the worst team in the league.  LMAO if you think Phil came into this season looking to tank the season to position the team for the top pick.  It might work out that way, but I'm not giving him credit for that.


Let's also calm down with the praise for the Chandler/Felton trade. Being stuck with Calderon's contract as a result for next season doesn't exactly look like a stroke of genius.  


Phil's best deal thus far has been the Prigioni trade, imo. Landing two second round picks and another young player who could turn out to be a useful backup for a 36 year old backup point guard was nice work.


It's all about what he does starting this summer anyway, free agency wise.  That's why Phil was brought here (that, and Dolan was desperate to keep Carmelo).

Joshua Anselmo
Joshua Anselmo

I mentioned the Chandler felton trade as evidence to back me up on Phil wanting to tank the season. N Melo conveniently had surgery on his knee in the middle of a season that will land us a top big man in the league his rookie year. In jahlil Okafor. Yes I think we're getting top pick. The lotto is fixed! I.e. Lebron to Cleve rose to Bulls ect. Philly trading away carter williams is also evidence showing philly will likey have the 2-3 pick n like mudiay and or Russell more as a prospect n plan on drafting one of them. I also think marc Gasol n tobias Harris sign with us n hopefully Bargs for the cheap. Woul easily give us best front court in NBA! Early Antentecounpo young promising pieces Hardaway will be a star. Calderon ol Wiley vet that will knock down many open 3s!! There is a plan in place!!

Max Denby
Max Denby

@Joshua Anselmo You have no idea what you are talking about.  We have a 33% chance at getting the #1 pick.  And this was not Phil's plan.  He has gone on record saying this year was a disaster.