BGA: Scouting Michael Vick

Last week, the Jets announced that they had signed quarterback Michael Vick to a one-year contract. Vick is a well-known player, but it’s still worth reviewing the footage to get an insight into what he has left in the tank and how well he fits into the Jets offense as currently constituted.

The 33-year-old Vick is a four-time Pro Bowler and former first overall pick. In six years with the Atlanta Falcons and another five with the Philadelphia Eagles, he has thrown 185 128 touchdown passes and compiled a career passer rating of 80.9. The 6’0″ 215 pounder has also rushed for over 5,000 yards (an NFL record) and 36 touchdowns. Last season, Vick started six games, throwing five touchdown passes and three interceptions. He missed several games through injury and eventually lost the starting job to Nick Foles.

After the jump, I’ll briefly review Vick’s career so far and look in detail at some recent footage to try and evaluate what he could provide the Jets with this year and going forward.

Who is Michael Vick?

The brilliant Robert Newman once bemoaned the fact that he had to pay for and carry round a heavy dictionary because it contained so many words that didn’t really need to be in there. He said he was going to write his own dictionary with definitions like “Don’t be stupid. You know what a [expletive] tree is. It’s a tree!”

That’s how I feel about scouting Michael Vick. You already know who Michael Vick is. He’s Michael Vick!

Vick was the first overall pick in the 2001 draft and, as a rookie, was equal parts exciting and erratic. He’d make an incredible play and then a really bad mistake on the very next snap. He would develop into a three time Pro Bowler with the Falcons. However, Atlanta only made the postseason twice in six years, getting knocked out in the divisional round each time.

He would not play at all in 2007 or 2008 as he ended up spending time in jail for his part in the notorious dog-fighting scandal. I’ll be glossing over that here, not to diminish its importance, but because that’s been covered in depth elsewhere and I want to focus on the on-field matters here.

In 2009, Vick signed with the Eagles and was used as a special packages player in a backup role. However, in 2010, he was given a starting role and earned the Comeback Player of the Year award and a fourth pro bowl appearance. The Eagles were one and done in the postseason in 2010 and again in 2011 as Vick started 13 games but could not quite replicate his career-best passing numbers from the previous season. In 2012 and 2013 he missed several games through injury and eventually lost his starting job to Nick Foles. He joins the Jets on a one-year deal with an opportunity to compete for playing time with incumbent starter Geno Smith apparently up for grabs.

While we’re all very familiar with Vick’s game, it’s still worth looking at footage from the 2013 to try and gauge what he has left in the tank and what strengths and weaknesses he would have if called into action next season.

Vick won the starting job in preseason, comfortably outperforming Foles in the first three preseason games. You may recall that Foles was then poor (6-for-17) against the Jets’ backups in the Bollinger Bowl. Vick would start the first five games, but he was knocked out of the game (with a hamstring injury) in week five and missed the next few weeks. Then when he made his return to the starting lineup in week eight, he again didn’t last the whole game and that was the last meaningful action he saw all season.

Week One – at Washington

Won 33-27, 15-25-203-2TD passing, 9-54-TD rushing

- Vick hit his receiver in stride for 28 on the first drive, but then almost threw a pick after avoiding the rush and then the Redskins scored a defensive touchdown on a controversial freak play where Vick’s pass was tipped and ruled a live ball because it travelled laterally
– On the next drive he threw a 25-yard touchdown off a playfake with an accurate throw down the middle to a wide open receiver
– On the following drive, the offensive line screwed up and a rusher came totally unblocked between right guard and right tackle. He ducked under that guy but was sacked by the guy coming off that edge
– Next drive, he again ducked under a rusher and scrambled for a first down, but the drive stalled after his underthrow was almost picked off
– On the next drive, he converted a first down by finding his man at the marker despite getting nailed, but the drive stalled when he was hit by another unblocked rusher
– After his first down scramble was negated by a flag, Vick found his man for this 28-yard touchdown on a throw down the middle into a tight window
– He added another touchdown on a routine 3-yard QB draw
– On third and long, Vick rolled out and threw deep while falling backwards, well over his receiver’s head and almost intercepted by the safety coming over
– On the next drive, Vick handed off to the running back and then threw a good block as the back was cut off and reversed his field
– Vick picked up some good yardage on the ground on the next drive, taking off quickly for seven and then gaining 36 on a read option play with a good move at the second level to break into the open field. The drive stalled after he overthrew his man on a crossing route and then threw wide on third down
– He helped the Eagles run out the clock with a key late first down where he kept the play alive and then threw cross-field into the flat.

Week Two – v San Diego

Lost 30-33, 23-36-428-2TD passing, 5-34-TD rushing

- Almost threw for a touchdown on the first drive, but the receiver couldn’t hold onto his low throw in the end zone
– Had his receiver with a couple of steps deep down the sideline and his throw was perfectly timed, but led the receiver out of bounds for an incompletion. The drive then stalled as he tried to pump fake and the ball flew out of his hands and rolled sideways out of bounds
– His his receiver in stride on a slant for 41 and then found his man for a 13-yard score on a drilled back-shoulder throw at the goal-line
– Late in the first half, down three, he had a couple of overthrows, one on a deep ball to an open receiver where Vick was hit as he threw. However, he converted on a throw down the middle to set up a field goal attempt (which missed)
– Was flushed from the pocket but threw deep to the receiver who made a double move and the throw went just off the receiver’s fingertips. He then hit an open receiver downfield for a big gain on a catch and run. Finally, he found a wide-open receiver on a blown coverage for an easy 39-yard touchdown, but this was negated by a penalty
– On the next drive, they scored anyway, on this perfectly thrown 61-yard bomb
– They scored on the next drive as Vick easily rolled out to score a short touchdown. Prior to that he’d missed on a throw wide, picked up eight on a read option play and completed a first down over the middle
– Trailing late, the Eagles had to settle for a field goal when Vick was nailed on a rollout and his throw was broken up at the goal-line. After a low incompletion to an open receiver down the seam, he set that up with two dump-offs, a scramble and another completion over the middle
– They got the ball back in the closing seconds but couldn’t work the ball into range on a mulitple-lateral play

Week Three – v Kansas City

Lost 26-16, 13-30-201-TD-2INT passing, 4-99 rushing

- On this Thursday night game, the Eagles made a sloppy start with Vick throwing a pick-six as he stared down his man and failed to see the ILB coming over to deflect the pass
– After a third and three conversion on a throw over the middle following a high snap, Vick was sacked and then his nicely lofted third down throw on a corner route was off his receiver’s hands
– Vick showed impressive wheels on this 61-yard run and then lofted a perfect touchdown pass on another corner route as he was hit
– The next drive featured another long run as Vick escaped the rush and gained 24, but ended prematurely following a bad snap
– On the next drive, Vick threw behind a receiver, missed a tough deep throw with a man open and then threw a bad pick as the Chiefs set a trap with the safety jumping his initial read – a crosser underneath and the cornerback was ready for him to look for his second option down the seam
– On the next drive, Vick fumbled a snap and then was sacked. He did complete a 31-yard pass down the seam, but it should have been a bigger gain as the defensive back fell and Vick’s throw was underthrown so the receiver had to dive for it
– The next drive stalled as well, despite a nice completion on a rollout and comeback route. Vick overthrew his man who had a step deep in the end zone. He then had a horrible throw off his back foot that was easily intercepted because his target slipped. That was negated by a penalty, but the drive still stalled
– He had a nice completion on the next drive, looking off the safety and then delivering a deep throw down the sideline for 40
– His next drive opened with another overthrow, but then he gained 14 on a scramble and found his receiver with an under-pressure throw out in front leading to a juggling catch
– With the Eagles in desperation mode, Vick’s 4th and long pass was jumped by a defensive back who dropped a possible interception. That came after he had a third down conversion to an open receiver negated by a hold. Prior to that, he had rolled out and completed a first down throw over the middle and thrown an incompletion low to the outside
– On the final drive, Vick rolled and completed a first down from his end zone, but then was sacked and lost a fumble on the next play

Week Four – at Denver

Lost 52-20, 14-27-248 passing, 8-41 rushing

- On the first drive, Vick overthrew his man as the pocket collapsed and then came up short on a third down scramble
– Next drive saw him scramble for 13 and show good patience to find his man coming across the middle for 24, but then a good pass was dropped inside the five and they had to settle for a field goal
– On the next drive, he twice picked up first downs with his legs and had an accurate third down conversion on a low throw in a place where only his receiver could get it
– The next drive saw him drill a low throw for 20
– The next drive stalled after he escaped the rush and threw off his back foot, but his receiver’s attempt at a diving catch went off his hands. Prior to that he had rolled out and hit his receiver coming back to the ball
– On the next drive, he scrambled and rolled to the outside hitting his tight end who had initially stayed in to block for 27. He then avoided another sack, but made a poor throw off his back foot
– On his last drive, Vick drilled a pass inside for a third and short conversion and made a good throw down the seam to his tight end for a 38-yard catch and run. However, the drive stalled when he overthrew a pass to the back pylon.

Week Five – at NY Giants

Won 36-21, 6-14-105 passing, 7-79 rushing

- On the first drive, Vick forced a throw into double coverage with his receiver not really open, but overthrew it anyway (perhaps deliberately). He then made a good downfield throw that was dropped.
– Vick’s first throw on the next drive was low and incomplete, but he picked up some good yardage on three carries – a first down keeper, a 34-yard burst and an 11-yard designed run out of the shotgun. The Eagles also got a first down on a helmet to helmet hit following Vick’s under pressure overthrow and settled for a field goal
– After a first down keeper, Vick threw slightly behind his man to the outside and his pass was broken up. He ended up with no first quarter completions
– In the second quarter, he finally completed a pass on a dump-off and then threw a nice lofted touch pass on a corner route with his receiver making a leaping 24-yard grab. The drive stalled when he overthrew an open receiver in the end zone
– The Eagles took the lead on a short touchdown run set up by Vick’s 14-yard gain on a designed run down to the goal-line. Earlier on the drive, he completed a 56-yard bomb, although the replay showed that a defensive back should probably have picked this, only to misjudge the flight of the ball which went through his hands
– He did gain another 13 on a scramble on the next drive, although the drive stalled
– The Eagles got the ball back and Vick was noticeably limping as he tried to roll out and got nailed. He came out of the game there with a 16-7 lead.

Week Eight – v NY Giants

Lost 15-7, 6-9-30-INT passing, 1-1 rushing.

- Vick’s return from injury did not start well, as he threw behind his tight end for an early pick. The tight end did not appear to be expecting or looking for the ball
– The next drive stalled as he was sacked and fumbled, although he got it back
– The drive after that stalled as he held the ball for far too long and was eventually called for grounding
– His final drive ended with the Eagles down 9-0 when his third down pass was broken up. Matt Barkley replaced him.

Conclusions

Much as you’d expect, the footage shows some dynamic playmaking from Vick, mixed in with some erratic play and questionable decision making, especially when he was struggling physically. We know he has a strong arm – Rex Ryan once said he can “throw a strawberry through a battleship” – and we know (from some of the links above) he still has some serious wheels.

Vick’s main issue is that he sometimes relies on these gifts a bit too much. Obviously he gets pretty banged up from all the hits he takes, many of which arise because he’s trying to make something happen with his legs. However, relying on his arm might be the bigger issue.

I was actually impressed with how Vick moves around in the pocket and obviously he has the ability to either elude pressure or stay in there and make throws under pressure. However – and I don’t think I’m saying anything new here – sometimes his footwork is awful. Because he trusts his strong arm, Vick will back himself to squeeze the ball in a tight window without setting his feet and can sometimes get away with this. I would anticipate that happens less the colder it gets though, not making him the ideal player to go on a postseason run with.

Where this concerns me is that if Geno Smith will rely on Vick as a mentor, he might pick up some bad habits. We’ve all seen how bad Smith can be when his footwork and technique desert him and QB coach David Lee has said several times how crucial this is for Smith. Vick’s natural ability allows him to overcome flaws in his technique in a way a less-athletically gifted player could not, so the Jets will have to constantly reinforce how important that is for Smith if he’s going to continue to develop.

One issue worth investigating is that of Vick’s left-handedness. Does it matter that the right tackle will be tasked with protecting the blindside when he’s in the game? First of all, I can confirm that the Eagles did not make any changes when Vick was in the game, so the right tackle (rookie Lane Johnson) was indeed tasked with protecting the blindside. Looking at his grades and pass protection numbers, he was much worse with Vick at quarterback than when Foles was in there. However, since most of the games Vick played were right at the start of his rookie year, perhaps we can attribute Johnson’s struggles to that. The Jets have had two left-handed quarterbacks in recent years (Mark Brunell and Tim Tebow) and they didn’t swap the tackles over as some teams have in the past. Indeed, this PFF study suggests that the importance of protecting the blind-side in this era where most teams bring pressure off both edges is perhaps overstated.

Beyond the numbers, I note that when I researched the intricacies of Marty Mornhinweg’s playbook last year, I observed that the Eagles left tight ends in to block a lot more often when Vick was in the game. Having said that, I didn’t notice them doing much of that for Johnson, although he did get help from his right guard at times. As you’ll recall, I was impressed with Breno Giacomini’s pass protection ability anyway, so I’d hope he could handle the assignment if Vick saw action.

Another question is whether the Jets could exploit Vick’s obviously-still-prevalent running ability by using him in special packages. Again from the Marty’s playbook article, I noted that the Eagles did run the wildcat … but moved Vick to receiver when they did so. However, when he is in there, the ability to run out of the read option, or just scramble on a broken play, does give another dimension to the offense, albeit one which Smith himself provides.

The final thing I wanted to touch on before my final conclusion is the fact that Vick impressed me with some of the throws he made on corner routes. The reason this is relevant is that that’s the one route that Eric Decker didn’t really have much success with last year in Denver, although I noted that it’s just not a throw Peyton Manning makes very often these days.

The main question, however, is whether we can expect Vick to start. As noted, Vick did beat out Foles to win the starting job last year in preseason. I’d say that Vick was far more dynamic and productive in the first couple of games last year than Smith was at any point last year. However, his durability was a real problem and he started to make a bunch of bad plays the more banged up he became.

If Smith can beat out Vick in a fair competition, I’d say that’s an extremely positive sign for his future. On the basis of what we saw from both players last season, though, I’d suggest it’s probably a good bet that neither will start all 16 games this season.




294 comments
Pat d
Pat d

Off season work outs have been cut back. Now Vick is going to take snaps away from Geno with the #1 WRs. The Jets plan on putting in a Vick package into games, using both QBs. Again taking away snaps from Geno. Are the Jets incapable of supporting a young QB. This approach just doesn't work.

boose2
boose2

I know he is 34 ...i know he is inconsistent ...& i know we are lacking deep play WRs at the moment. But Rex aint evaaaa had a play-maker like this on offense...let alone at QB...

Redskins vs Eagles 2010...my man throws darts!!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn7uTh_p2oQ

GratefulJet
GratefulJet

Awesome work as always Bent !


I was watching some footage and man he still has legs.  He doesn't look as fundamentally sound as a vet should be though.  David Lee to the rescue!


PS. Can I add a picture if I signed in with an SNY account ?

gbrownn
gbrownn

Your score is: 3755 (Drafting Ability: D+, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 29 (N.E.): Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State (A)
Round 2 Pick 31 (DEN): Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 29 (N.E.): Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama (C+)
Round 3 Pick 31 (DEN): Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor (B)
Round 4 Pick 4: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (B)
Round 4 Pick 15: Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming (A),
Round 4 Pick 37 (COMP): Morgan Breslin, OLB, Southern California (C+)
Round 5 Pick 14: De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (D-)
Round 6 Pick 19: Darwin Cook, SS, West Virginia (F)
Round 6 Pick 33 (COMP): Marion Grice, RB, Arizona State (C+)
Round 6 Pick 34 (COMP): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (C-)
Round 6 Pick 37 (COMP): Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech (C)
Round 7 Pick 18: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon (A-)

I did this on http://www.first-pick.com, I never really do mock drafts, just wanted to share this with you guys. If I worked out like this in real life I think we'd all be pretty happy, right? Feel free to criticize


 

Pat d
Pat d

So much for Vick teaching Smith. Bad idea. Having plays for Vick to come in game if Smith is starter. Bad idea.

bob
bob

Im gonna tell this guys with Revis over at New England we have better be able to run the ball.



boose2
boose2

We've had the worst QB play over the last 3 years... & you're upset about a little competition??

Bent
Bent moderator

@boose2  Good news!  He's 33, not 34.



MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@GratefulJet  I don't believe it's an option for SNY, that's why I made this dummy twitter account so I could show you all my handsome face 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan  Meh, he clearly made all those plays because of the triple and quadruple teams Earl Mitchell was taking on over in Houston.


The whole thing is awesome.  I think the greatest play he made all season was against the Saints when he sacked the QB but was called for facemasking.   Then on the very next play he nearly got to Brees again (that one is one there).

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan  The lyrics would rack you up about 165 yards in penalties. 

harold
harold

@gbrownn


Hubbard is a 6th rounder is very average in the 3rd round I would break my TV, Richardson is an average football player, would not touch him, I like Jones but not until the 5th round or later.


I don't hate it but I feel many of the players you took a round early, the draft is as much about drafting guys where they should be drafted so you don't miss opportunities

Bent
Bent moderator


@gbrownn You made a couple of trades with NE and Denver?

juunit
juunit

@gbrownn  

Not a fan of the last two picks and I don't really like Christian Jones, think he's a real underachiever. 

Otherwise, not bad. There's a number of players in there I'd be happy with. 

bob
bob

@Pat d


I was thinking that the other day Time to put the wildcat to bed.


From what I seen of Vick is an excellent team mate He all ways put others first I pick up on that.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Ivory toss sweep at Revis. All day, Bob-o!

Pat d
Pat d

You can call it what you want but it's not working. If Vick is such a great back up why did Chip Kelley get rid of him.

boose2
boose2

Haha..well 34 before we see him in preseason.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@MarshRandy @Brendan      The guy on the ground looked like our rookie that started last year.........he got rolled.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@harold @gbrownnYeah I feel ya, but I honestly panicked and there were no OLB on the board worth taking after the second really . Iv'e realized It's easy to talk that Best Player Available when your not the one handing in the cards lol.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Bent @gbrownnHaha, I did. Not the most realistic scenario I know. but hey I liked what they were offering. If it worked out like that in the war room I think the ID would jump all over it.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@juunit @gbrownnI like Christian Jones as the thumper that'll clean up some tackles. Taking David Harris's spot. I don't think he's missed a tackle all of last year. Very Impressive. You knowwww I had to take DAT though!!

juunit
juunit

@bob @Pat d 

Well, Vick would certainly have no problem putting the Wildcat to sleep. 

jdb4
jdb4

@bob @Pat d 

Hate to say it but the wildcat is staying and it will only be added to when the Jets draft Tajh Boyd.  

Pat d
Pat d

$hit can the wild cat

Pat d
Pat d

Vick may be a great team mate but his QB fundamentals are bad. Chip Kelley dumped Vick for a reason.

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob


Yes we need Winters and Colon if one goes down Yikes

maynard
maynard

@Pat d if Mark Sanchez is so terrible why is Chip Kelly gonna hire him?    let the competition play out, the best QB will win.....if the best QB is playing we have a better chance to win...... Winning is the goal....See it's simple!

hazard2012
hazard2012

@bklyndude  


Fix the secondary, add a stud edge rusher and this D could be lights-out sick.  

bklyndude
bklyndude

I had to watch it again.......how can you not get excited watching that DL.   

Now I want to know how they only won eight games last year !!!!! 


bob
bob

@juunit @bob@Pat d


Oh I love it everybody's so different that's what makes it so fun and funny at the same time.

Brendan
Brendan

@jdb4 I could live with some read option, but if it means changing personnel? No thanks. 

bob
bob

@Pat d


Yes maybe but he would be excellent for Geno . and as we seen before if Vick does come in for a spell we seen that he can play lights out football. I'm not sure about 16 games at his age though.


I trust Marty .. Martys the right guy to coach the offense Martys smart.

jenkins
jenkins

@bob  I love Zack Martin. Plug him in at OG and then move him to LT when Brick slows down.

bob
bob

@Bent @bob@Brendan


Yep I need to put the bird seed out and the squirrel  out around the yard tomorrow the dog like to chase them around the yard she'e has 3 lots so the yards pretty big she chases them to about 10.30 am then she lays down out in the pool room and watches them to about 12.30 then she goes off for a nap..I call it her doggy TV.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob @Brendan  


Walking your dog?  Walking your person, you mean...

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob


Yep good stuff as all ways guys just back back from walking the dog heading out to get a bite to eat down here in port saint lucie fl.. god bless guys talk to ya tomorrow. or maybe tonight.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

I do not disagree, upgrading the Oline is a must I just think they might be looking inside the org for that.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I'm with you, I like how Idzik and Rex are relative opposites. Despite what the media is trying to portray, they genuinely seem like they have a "in this together" mindset right now. Fingers crossed for a good draft and a couple more solid veteran signings. 

bob
bob

@Brendan I think Idzik is right going to the draft Rex Marty and Idzik and staff are really smart guys.


Great job Woddy Johnson.

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob I like Idzik he's the guy with the cooler head and you know what they say cooler heads prevail . He really fits in with guys like Woddy and Rex maybe kinda brings them back down to earth . lol

Brendan
Brendan

@bob A little detective work, eh? I'm going to guess Idzik is better at covering their tracks than I am at looking for clues. 

Pat d
Pat d

Pryor at safety would be good pick at 18. But would prefer Evans or Lee.

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob


Just looking at the board Brendan. Maybe its down to listening to interviews with REX Marty and Idzik maybe picking up a little there in what their thinking I guess.

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob


Yep Mosley another guy Top player on the Board.

I like Beckham and Cooks However I would take like I said One of the top 2 CB or 3 OLB s or Martin or Mosley because I think Top Tallent at a position trumps Beckham /Cooks.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob  Some pretty reasonable assumptions in there, Bob. As long as 1 of the top-4 WR's (adding Beckham in there for 57), top-2 CB's, or top-3 OLB's are there, I'll be happy. I'd be okay with Mosley, too, since I think Harris' time is fast approaching. 

bob
bob

@DrJonathanReefer


If we Draft skill positions I'm very cool with that.

and if we draft o-line men in the later rounds that's cool . But its very hard to do. and get it  right.

bob
bob


Excellent answers guys  I find comfort in knowing I'm not alone in these issues. Understanding we really need to get the draft right and however this goes down we all will be learning .


WR G CB OLB.


But if the 3 big receivers are off the board.

And the 2 top CB are off the board.


There are 3 really good OLB in this draft. Not sure how that will go.


I'm think Zack Martin may be there. not sure though.


T.E  I don't think Ebron will be there.


So I'm thinking OLB or Zack Martin. I'M guessing.




DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Well if winters takes the next step that will instantly make the line much better. Lots of mistakes can be directed towards him.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Same deal.

I'm just gonna put my faith in the coaches who seen them in practice everyday. We have the resources to upgrade and if we must I'm sure we will.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I'd be surprised if the team wasn't at least looking for depth OL in the draft, if not project players to eventually be starters. I'm waiting to see what Breno can bring, but the team definitely can't rest on their OL as currently constructed. It has potential to be good, but there's definitely room to upgrade. 

bob
bob

@bob


Rex is big on players who can play multiple positions...Zack Martin is the guy if the 3 big receivers are off the board and the 2 top corners are off the board. or if there is one of the 3 OLB on the board..Really got to go beat on the boardwith the 1st pic..From what I'm seeing. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Well boberto that can be said for any lineman. No many backups are All pro.

I think we have more then enough depth just hopefully some of these youngings pan out.

Nobody thought Howard would become the player he became.

bob
bob

The offensive line to me is unfinished. yes our o-line played well last year at times however pass blocking was an issue and this is not a dominate o-line as of yet. Not like the d-line