Daily Links: Get with the program

  • Idzik has other priorities this offseason [NY Post]
  • Jets tweaked gameplan to alleviate pressure on Geno Smith [The Star-Ledger]
  • Film review: Wilkerson’s quiet day [ESPN]
  • Winters is crumbling [Daily News]
  • No need to lean on Reed [Record]
55 comments
Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

I know its early but what do you guys think about this offseason: Cut Mark, Tone, Cro that gives us about 39 in cap space, sign Jon Asomoah to a 4yr/$30million deal, sign Jacoby Jones to a 5yr/$40 million deal + bonuses, sign Jarius Byrd to 4yr/$28 million deal, draft wr Mike Evans first round, 2nd round te Austin Sefian-Jenkins, 3rd round lb Prince Shembo, 4th a back up for Mangold, 5th round fb jc copeland, with the following rounds getting depth at d-line and db

marshrandy
marshrandy

I remember the Winters pick being almost universally praised when it happened, so he has to be a good prospect right? I say just give it a little more time

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Kyle Ely Too much for Asamoah. Might be what he'll get, but it's too much. Jacoby jones at $40m is insane. He's not a good receiver. He's an okay return man that's overrated because he made some plays in playoffs. Won't argue with Byrd at $28m for a second. Love Mike Evans in the first. Wouldn't go ASJ in the second, don't really think he's the kind of TE we want. Shembo's a bit short for the SAM role. Backup for Mangold isn't a 3rd/4th round priority. Hell no to JC Copeland in the 5th. He's a fullback. 7th round/UDFA only. And we have no business getting depth at DL. We have it. And we have depth at CB, too—just don't have top end talent.

Bytor
Bytor

@Kyle Ely My with list is pretty simple and it goes like this:

1. Cro or his cb replacement

2. Pettigrew or Graham (if NO doesn't sign, all in on Jimmy)

3. Maclin

4. Byrd (if available otherwise stay with what we got)

5. Draft a wr in the first, pick your favorite

6. Draft a te in the second like AS-J

7. Draft to fill in any remaining holes, projects or depth

I wouldn't mind bringing in someone like Shaun Hill and drafting another qb with upside starting in the 3rd.

marshrandy
marshrandy

@Kyle Ely a big HELL NO to Jacoby Jones and I'm not really a Mike Evans fan - he just can't separate. I do like pretty much all of the other receivers mentioned as first round talents though. For FA receivers I like Jeremy Maclin and Golden Tate. Agreed about Byrd it'd be awesome to get a big time safety 

Bent
Bent

@marshrandy Not to pat myself on the back too much, but...


"Honestly - and bear in mind that I am used to watching NFL players so I don't like to scout college players because I'm working from a different subset of comparables - I watched some film of Winters and Aboushi and they both struck me as kinda raw.


I think Vlad is much more polished than either of these two and has the ability to beat either of them out in the short term. However, as we know, Vlad has struggled with scheme and position changes in the past, so that might hurt his chances of fitting into the WCO style zone blocking scheme.


Although he's good on the move and therefore hopefully has the physical tools to be successful, I guess I can't fault the Jets for hedging their bets by getting some other options in...although I see Peterman as having more of a chance than these two rookies, who (based on my VERY LIMITED film study) showed flashed of great ability but still look to be a year away." - me, eight months ago...

jaygo
jaygo

@jetfuel


Possible?  My view is that Rex is secure for next year.  


As to the 3 games,  no one expects a win against Carolina, right?  By my math, if Jets lose as expected, and if Ravens beat Lions on Monday night (not impossible), Jets are eliminated.  Stated differently, if Jets lose, they are one Ravens win from being eliminated.  That realization will set in if Jets lose.  So, season may be effectively over on Sunday.  Faint playoff hopes will become all but over.  If we lose Sunday and,say, start Simms and other second stringers for the last two, do they make a difference?  Nope.


Going 7-9 or 8-8 or even 6-10 with wins over NE and NO and ATL on MNF with this rag tag bunch and a rookie QB exceeds all expectations going in. Jets keeping it interesting into December a plus this year where it was all about moving on from Sanchez and giving the kids sink or swim playing time.  Signed Ed Reed when playoffs seemed a possibility after NO game but now letting him sit again.  Makes sense to me.

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

The thing is I think the jets don't need to money on a Cro replacement and can live with Dee and Kyle as their corners next year if they a) improve the front 7 and b) improve the offense

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@marshrandy @Kyle Ely Evans doesn't need to separate. Watch how Jeffrey and Jimmy Graham are playing these days—with physicality, not separation. It's what we need.

a57se
a57se

This draft is deep in WR's, I would take advantage of the depth with a few of our 12 draft picks. We don't just need 1 WR.

The safeties and CB's in this class don't look very strong so I would try and address our secondary needs in Free Agency.

There seem to be a couple good TE prospects but the depth is not that great either.

There are some good LB's to be had early in the draft as well as RB's though there doesn't seem to be a whole bunch of depth.

The other strength of the Draft is QB's where we should take one as well.


Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

I didn't realize Tate was a FA in that case yeah sign him instead to save some cash

a57se
a57se

Wow, your comment sounded just like the Post article!

a57se
a57se

@Bent@marshrandy

"Honestly - and bear in mind that I am used to watching NFL players so I don't like to scout college players because I'm working from a different subset of comparables - I watched some film of Winters and Aboushi and they both struck me as kinda raw.

Bent, that is the ONLY way to look at prospects from. Projecting them to the NFL is the toughest thing for scouts and why they get so many guys wrong........

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Bent @marshrandy

Idzik seems to have a backwards dictionary of what fair and competitive means. With all of the mistakes Vlad has made Winters makes him look like a seasoned pro.

Brendan
Brendan

@jetfuel Pats play the Phins, who the Jets also need to lose. You're rooting for the Pats this week. 

Bytor
Bytor

@Kyle Ely

I dunno, I'd feel better with either Cro back healthy or someone like Talib. Perhaps if they manage to land Byrd than I'd be ok with rolling out Wilson, Dee, Lankster, Walls, Berry, Trufant.

bob
bob

@Kyle Ely

Who's willing to pay that though maybe nobody.

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

I do not want Nicks hes going to ask way too much and he always has problems staying on the field

marshrandy
marshrandy

jetlife hah I actually can't stand ND but he's a good receiver who will get paid, trust me

a57se
a57se

He was a RB at one point during his career and I thought that would help him as a WR running in the open field.

He hasn't done as well as I thought he might but he is a decent slot receiver. I think Kerley is better.

a57se
a57se

I really liked Golden Tate when he was coming out of College but he is NOT a legitimate no. 1 WR!

marshrandy
marshrandy

@jetlife have you ever watched a Seahawks game? They spread it around a ton, it's not an environment for a WR to really succeed, as good as Russell is

jetlife
jetlife

What stats are you looking at?? And he's around a lot of receivng options? Like who? Zach Miller and Doug Baldwin?

marshrandy
marshrandy

@jetlife @marshrandy @Kyle Ely I bet he does. He's on a team with a bunch of receiving options that runs the ball a ton and still puts up decent numbers. As the #1 option he'd ball out

marshrandy
marshrandy

@jetlife @marshrandy @Kyle Ely when did I ever put a price on anything? All I said was he'll get a bigger contract than Jacoby Jones who's been in the league for 7 years and has like 2 100 yard games. and Tate probably will get that kind of money

marshrandy
marshrandy

@Kyle Ely naw. And I wouldn't consider him the most dangerous KR in the game and even if he was that wouldn't make him a huge signing. Jones has been in the league forever it seems and he's never been a reliable receiver besides a few big plays. Golden Tate is coming off his rookie contract and will go somewhere as a legitimate #1 receiver, he's much more valuable 

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

Really but Jones is arguably the most dangerous kick returner in the game you dont think that will bump up his price?

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

Compared to Jones he saves cash

a57se
a57se

The strengths of the 2014 draft seem to be WR then QB with secondary players bringing up the rear.

That bodes well for a 'flood' approach at WR and for bringing in a third round QB.

I could see us drafting 3 WR's......

SackDance99
SackDance99

Idzik and/or Seattle wasn't all that cautious, especially when it came to the QB position.  They traded for Whitehurst, signed Flynn to a big UFA contract, and drafted Wilson.  They signed or traded for Lynch, ditto for Leon, and made some bold draft picks, like Bruce Irvin in the 1st round and Wilson in the 3rd (after they had just doled out millions to Flynn).  Their group's 2010 draft, in which they had 9 picks, including 2 1st rounders, really set up their franchise's future success and even in that draft they used 4 of their 9 picks on DBs and 2 more in 2011 (and everyone says Rex loves DBs).  

I think if you look at would they did in Seattle, you'll see that while they tended to avoid big ticket players (besides Flynn), they went for volume in the middle market with mixed results.  And, their drafts and player personnel decisions seem to be of the "flood" variety.  When the QB position was the focus, the Seahawks brought in a bunch, inadequacies in the defensive backfield resulted in 6 picks in 2 drafts, etc.  That may explain the focus on OL in 2013 for the Jets.  It seems like Seattle devoted a lot of their drafts focusing on CB, S, DE, OLB (roughly 16 out of 35 picks) and the drafts were defensive-oriented (21 of 35 picks).  They took as many TEs (3) as WRs (3), showing a willingness to spend on veteran WRs or cast-offs (Rice, Branch, M. Williams, etc.).


I'm not sure if Idzik will replicate what he did in Seattle, but I think we'll see the flood approach more in the future and I hope QB is on the agenda (unless Geno has a strong last quarter and last Sunday was a good start).  It looks like part of the "competition" mantra is to identify a need, make multiple acquisitions at the position and see how it shakes out in camp.  With 12 (?) picks in 2014, it will be very interesting to see if 3 or more players are drafted for a single area and what areas are targeted.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@johnnyl65

".....no money in the bank" ????

Don't tell Bent we were CAP broke.......he won't ;like it too much  !!!!

djf1
djf1

being compared to nyp is never a compliment.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@jetfuel @me

He was cautious and methodical this year because he had to be. It's hard to be a big spender with no money in the bank.

We'll find out what type of GM Idzik really is this year,money in the bank and a full dance card at the draft.

Bytor
Bytor

@jetfuel How are you figuring out that Idzik has already moved on?

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@jetfuel Good point -- he may have already decided against him.


But I don't think so. My personal take is that he would not have taken the job in the first place if he was not impressed by Ryan and willing to give him a fair chance. And that was before really getting to know him. Everyone who has ever actually been around him, and not just read articles about him or made outside judgements, have raved that he is not the buffoon he is made out to be and is a much different leader behind closed doors than the appearance he gives to the media (though that has been downplayed this season)... his flaws are his tendencies to be too loyal to guys that may not 'deserve' it in order to create harmony. Losing can make that toxic, so I can see how that can be a real negative for others. But give Ryan one more year and a better offense, an improved defense (they took his best player away from him and gave him new young starters to replace his vets), and let's see what he can do. It's not like they can't fire him after 2014 and bring in someone ready to win.