Daily Links: Good hands

  • Trades that should happen this offseason (includes DJax-to-Jets) [Sports Illustrated]
  • Can Sanchez make the most of his fresh start? [Star Ledger]
  • How Michael Vick shaped the modern NFL [Deadspin]
  • Brick blogs about the “numbers game” [Jets Official Site]
  • Winslow tops the charts for lowest 2013 TE drop rate [PFF]



204 comments
Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

D-Jax, Decker, MJD, Ebron, Ivory the offense could get really good

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

D-Jax has been cut dont screw this one up Idizik

karlhungus
karlhungus

He wont be there at 18 when we draft, and I don't think we would trade up for him, but what Johnny M. did yesterday was impressive... He went out there, in a helmet and shoulder pads, took all his snaps from center, and was 61-65.... Of course the media called it a circus, but to me, he did that when everyone else did it in shorts and no helmet, and he did that with the world watching....no way you cant love the kids fire... I think he is going to be a great one, and there is no way Jacksonville should pass on him. They need star power in the worst way. Kid can actually play and put butts in the seats. Seems too logical not to happen.

a57se
a57se

Gotta love mike Zimmer:

"The huddles and the different things and the music. The sideshow stuff," Zimmer said. "It was a sideshow." One thing we have learned from Manziel,is that he does things in his own way, whether it's throwing in pads and a helmet or having Nike marketing the very Pro Day outfit he wore that day. It comes with the territory when you plan to draft Johnny Manziel. The Vikings own the No. 8 pick in the draft, and if they're planning on drafting Manziel, they may have to move up for chance at landing him. Manziel and his "sideshow" of a Pro Day may have slightly raised his stock.

bob
bob

Pay attention guys. 1st blood moon 1/15/14

harvlis
harvlis

Idzik is trying to steal players, rather than targeting better players for needs. I think that, if we can lock up D-jax for a third or fourth pick, splurge a little, then we can draft TE and OG and have a solid, dangerous offense.

a57se
a57se

@Kyle Ely  

MJD is a raider.

Hopefully they have enough money left to sign Jackson as well.

a57se
a57se

@Kyle Ely  

I agree, don't screw this up by spending any money to bring this knucklehead in here.

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

I thought mike vick was his good friend?

MS
MS

@Bent  That certainly changes things...

__fense
__fense

@karlhungus  I never understood why they don't do the combine in full pads and helmets. It doesn't matter how fast you are in shorts.

Zartan
Zartan

@bob  does things go ape poop? I get a little of the yin/yang of a full moon. Really, i'm a seeker of sorts.

a57se
a57se

@bob  

Hmmmmmm....a little late for that Bob-o?

gbrownn
gbrownn

We are already on our way to having one. Wait till the camp bra

williamg1
williamg1

@gbrownn  I loved this:


"When you'[re] matched up against a great corner, you can't beat him early. You have to beat him as late as possible. So, it doesn't require you to be masterful in your feet, your ins, your cuts; it requires you to be masterful in your understanding of timing. I need to be open at the last second, when the ball's arriving, because I'm only going to be open for that second with this kind of a guy."

"These guys, they keep trying to run away from people and think 'I'm going to get wide open.' There is no such thing as ‘wide open' when you're playing a great corner. They're always going to be tight on you. So you're complaining, because you beat them too early, and they get back there right around the time the ball is getting there. That's why you beat him late, and you're the only person there when the ball gets there. For the corner, it's too late for you to recover, because [he] pushed off at the last possible second."


--Michael Irvin

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@gbrownn  I don't mind if the receiver occasionally uses his body for additional ball security when he has the opportunity to do so (no CB bearing down on him, etc), it only becomes a problem when he can't make the catches where he HAS to use his hands.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Kyle Ely  

D-Jax might feel more comforable going to the Raiders.   He can be closer to his good friends.

Bent
Bent moderator

@MS @Bent  Depending how accurate it is, that's certainly a possibility.

Zartan
Zartan

@a57se @bob  You owe me 1hr 50mins. Sum of 8 was ok but not enough.

harvlis
harvlis

@gbrownn We still need to upgrade the O-line.  Winters stunk last season and Colon is coming off a bicep tear.  Rookie WR's usually take time to adapt to the league. Adding D-Jax would give us a well rounded receiving corp. Idzik needs to get us a few more quality free agents, on the offensive side of the ball, if we are to compete this season.  We are far away from having a dangerous offense, right now.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@williamg1 Haha yup I loved that too. Gotta be fluid and decisive in and out of those breaks. Straight line spped doesn't get your far in this league. For the first time in a while Michael Irvin made perfect sense to me haha

gbrownn
gbrownn

@DJF I agree 1000%, I won't condemn a guy for trapping it when he has too. I just can't stand when guys go up for the ball consistently  LOOKING to trap the ball to their body because they don't trust their hands. If there's one thing I can't stand it's a body catcher

MS
MS

@Bent @MS  Its a pretty serious article that will spread like wildefire. I would hope the writer was responsible enough to understand that this will probably damage all the players leverage.

lucas
lucas

Sorry Bob! But the blood moons and the end of days" conspiracy theories do not correlate well with football... nice try though.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob @a57se  Is first blood moon a combination between Rambo and Warren Moon?  If so, then yes we should draft him.

a57se
a57se

@gbrownn  

He is a good hands catcher BUT if the throw is into his mid-section he almost ALWAYS catches it with his body...something I noticed watching his film and he dropped one...that was when it dawned on me that he did that on those type of passes.....Just a bad habit that needs to be broken.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@a57se I'll have to go take a look at some film, but from what I saw he was a pretty good "hands" catcher. Any games I can tune into off the top of your head I can look at for example?

Bent
Bent moderator

@gbrownn  Cumberland never seems to catch the ball cleanly, whereas Winslow always did.

a57se
a57se

@gbrownn  

Adams or Moncrief. I actually lean more to Moncrief as Adams is less polished because of the system at fresno St.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@williamg1 I wouldn't say that's far fetched at all. Scouts love his athleticism though. Somebody will fall in love with him. Even then I'd rather have Davonte Adams before Lee.

a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @gbrownn 

I was a big fan until i realized how sketchy his hands were. Then there is his knee to concern yourself with too.

williamg1
williamg1

@gbrownn  I absolutely agree. 


I'm a big fan of Lee's. He's one of those guys that knows how to play. He plays faster than his time. He's a top 10 talent...... except for his hands. I don't know how far-fetched this is, but I wouldn't draft him until the 2nd round. 

gbrownn
gbrownn

@williamg1 thats scary, its something I've noticed on film myself. It makes really really nervous about taking him. He bobbles the ball before securing alot. With the depth there is at receiever this year. I'd rather stay away from Lee pretty much for that reason right there. I need a guy with proven hands. I gotta see that ball get plucked out of the air. It's utlitmately the #1 thing I look for when scouting a receiever.  You agree?

williamg1
williamg1

@gbrownn  I live in Los Angeles and have watched a lot of USC games. Lee is a dynamic player, but if you watch him catch balls, he seems to always use his forearms. That works in HS and college, but I see him having issues with that in the pros. 

gbrownn
gbrownn

@williamg1 @Bent really? I'll have to go pay closer attention to that now. I wouldn't ever say Cumby has great hands, but I wouldn't classify them as bad either. I'll have to look more into that. Oh yeah William they actually bring up Marquise Lee in the article about bad hand technique. So you must have an eye for shaky hands

williamg1
williamg1

@Bent @williamg1 @gbrownn  Yes. I think when people argue that Cumberland didn't drop many passes last year, they forget that he hardly catches the ball cleanly. At least, that's what it seemed like.