Daily Links: Rolling in it

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hazard2012
hazard2012

Some solid picks here, filling numerous needs.   Agree re preferring Evans to Lee, though there are questions about both, but I would take a top TE first, a receiver second, simply on basis that there are a lot more quality receivers in this draft than there are TE's.   


If I'm taking Ebron, Amaro, or Seferian-Jenkins @ 18, then I have no need of signing Pitta.  I like Niklas, he has good lineage and holds his own surprisingly well against the other TE's above, but may still be on the board a lot longer than the others in case the Jets want to grab him later.   

Take a WR with second pick, and maybe bundle the 2nd and one of their 2-3rd rounders to move back into the last third of the first round to get a Matthews, Robinson, Beckham, or Landry. Then sign a Maclin or Jones in FA and, combined with Kerley, Nelson and Hill, you now have a receiving corps that can do real damage.   


Like signing Verner, but Jets can't stop there.   Their secondary is the one glaring weakness on D.   They need a top S with experience...Byrd, Ward or Whitner.   I'd frankly sign two of these guys to take the secondary to the next level.    Add a mid-round OLB edge rusher and the Jet D becomes one of the best in the league.   


Strongly disagree on resigning Ed Reed.  He's done...as player.   But I would consider bringing him in as a coach.    


Wouldn't touch Incognito with a fifty foot pole.  The guy is a marginal talent at best and clearly poison in the locker room.   He's toast.    But there's a lot of OL talent in the draft, and they should still find value there in the middle rounds.  

Nick Congello
Nick Congello

First time poster, long time reader. This is also my first year following the draft extensively. I'm a die hard jets fan, but my knowledge isn't anywhere near some of the posters on this blog... Here is my dream offseason for the jets. A. Tell me if it's realistic B. Don't be too mean if it's not

1st round- Marquise Lee

2nd round-Troy Niklas

3rd round- Tre Mason

3rd round- Christian Jones -olb Florida st

4th round- Donte Moncrief- wr ole miss

5th round- Stanley-Jean Baptiste

Sign- Verner 4 years, 40 mill

Dennis Pitta 3 years 20 mill

Richie incognito should be willing to take vet minimum and I assume he will be on his best behavior

I'm also very interested in Taylor Mays

I would resign Ed Reed, Austin Howard some of the special teams players

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

"Jets won't rule out drafting a first round QB" - Newsday  

Typical statement to sell papers. The same could be said for ALL positions with the possible exception of Waterboy if Adam Sandler declares for this draft class.

The fact is that the Jets didn't even draft a QB in the first round after they decided Sanchez wasn't the answer, so now that they have a second rounder who they dedicated 16 games to training, the possibility is zero even if a QB with starter potential fell in their lap. It would be a repeat of passing on Marino.

Yes, I know that last year was a weak QB class, but the same folks saying that hype Geno as the answer. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. A second rounder at any position in a weak draft class at that position can't be declared as the future after a rough, mostly down season. 

You can also pretty much discount WR or TE in round one despite all the noise. I would not be surprised if they go CB, LB or S and wait till later rounds for O help saying that those positions are deeper. Besides, any of the game-changing WR's and TE's worth a first rounder will be selected by the other 8-8 teams picking ahead of us. I just hope the Jets go BPA at 18 even if it's a QB

levi
levi

Lets go USA time to whip some Canadian butt.

Pat d
Pat d

There are four QBs that have to be considered if they are there at 18.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Beckam and Lee under 6 ft, maybe we'll get them at 18

a57se
a57se

So when Evans and Benjamin run their 40's in the 4.55 range do we start comparing them to Marcus Henry instead of Calvin Johnson?

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

Im sorry but the article by Kimberley A. Martin on The Jets NOT ruling out drafting a first round QB is trash. The writer clearly shows she has no idea about anything going on in the draft, or the Jets organization. I wanted to post this on the site but i had to sign in and aint nobody got time for that. But this was my response to her joke of an article.

I think this article is a joke. Im sorry, but by NOT saying that they will or will NOT draft a QB in the first round is not the same as them saying that they WILL draft a QB in the first round. A team saying they'll take the best player available that falls to them doesn't specify who exactly they are targeting, so you can say that all 32 teams wont rule out drafting a QB in the first round of this upcoming draft. Plus, considering the starting quality QBs coming into this draft, (which is just about three Manziel, Bridgewater & Bortles), and how many QB needy teams are ahead of the Jets (possibly 7-8 teams), there's not a shot they end up coming out of the first round with a QB. Then when you consider their glaring gaping hole at the WR position and the kind of talent that exists in this draft at that particular position... Im sorry to trash this article, but to me it just seems like a thoughtless piece on the Jets and their QB situation meant to cause a stir like usual about the position and the team between all Jets fans. Im sorry, this article is not very good what so ever.


kniff
kniff

Brett Favre says he sees a lot of himself in Manziel, but I don't think our Brass think he's a fit... plus we all know we have other priorities!

Mettenberger keeps bleeping on the TJB however, and makes a lot of sense to our long term plan and insurance needs if he is still on the board at the right time...

bklyndude
bklyndude

The Jets not ruling out a QB in the first round probably means they might draft somebody in the third or fourth rd. like Mettenberger,  especially if they don't like any of the veterans out there in FA.

Brendan
Brendan

Johnny FOOTBAW!! is 5'11", as predicted. 

juunit
juunit

Doubt he runs as fast. I've read some people think Bryant might run sub 4.4 at 6'5 though. Not sure I believe that.

Pat d
Pat d

Another good QB in this draft is Carr.

jaygo
jaygo

@Mike Milea  You should read a wonderful article on TJB a couple days ago projecting what a Jets new conference at the Combine would look like.  Said Rex and Idzik would stand up tall; media would ask the same questions over and over and over about subjects that cannot and should not be discussed in public; Rex and Idzik would give plain vanilla, one size fits all, coach speak, corporate America, politically correct but unsatisfying answers; and the media would then go off and write manufactured stories based on what wasn't said proving how dysfunctional the Jets are.  Voila!  Not only did you throw the flag on Martin, but go read Fat Costello's article in the Post today.  The idiot prints their non-answers to all the QB questions - - - - you know "all options are open"-----are writes an article based on that like Martin that Sanchez will be gone, they may draft a QB, etc etc.  Jeeez!

juunit
juunit

@Brendan  

What's interesting is that he has bigger hands than Bortles.

Biggest thing is Bridgewater at 214 though. All the rumors about him not being the consensus #1 were revolving around his potentially coming in under 200, but he's bigger than Footbaw. Time to kill the Bortles #1 talk. 

Pat d
Pat d

I think Lee or Evans at 18 would be great

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

@Nick Congello


I would trade pitta for a vet WR.


But other then that, I'd be okay with this. Might get slammed for Incognito though.

Pat d
Pat d

Yes Carr is my fourth QB. Don't be surprised if he turns out to be the best of this class

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@juunit  It's possible. I've seen him torch guys.


I would believe Bryant, though. Need to watch more Clemson, but he's got the pedigree for it.

kniff
kniff

@jdb4 @kniff  I would much prefer round 3 (I think we have 2 picks in this round..no?) Because we have to prioritize WR, TE, CB, and OLB...

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@juunit @Brendan  Still not very big, though, tbh. Less than one Standard Deviation from the average for QBs.


Anything saying Teddy isn't the number one QB in this class is stupid.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Yup. Teddy B at 214 is pretty much perfect for him. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@juunit @Brendan  the Bortles #1 talk pretty much goes away when you watch him throw a football. It's a joke to me that he's considered a first round pick

Nick Congello
Nick Congello

I believe that they would have enough cap space to sign a vet receiver even after all these moves.. I just prefer not to use all the available cap space in one offseason

juunit
juunit

@MarshRandy @juunit@Brendan 

All about potential. Mayock even said that Bortles is the least polished of those top 3 QBs. I always would've been stunned if the Texans were really interested. They're ready to compete now with a good QB. Bortles is a multi-year project by any stretch. 

Pat d
Pat d

junnit

You nailed it. The maturity level is the issue and biggest difference between Johnny Football and Brees and Wilson

jaygo
jaygo

@Bent @juunit @Brendan  That all said, he will go top 5 in the draft and an organization will pin their hopes on him for the coming years.  Some high level NFL people either disagree with the analysis here or will be willing to roll the dice.  


When I first heard the Romo traded to Houston for the 1st pick rumor, and Cowboys to take Johnny, I believed it and loved it for both teams.  Johnny would be a rock star in Texas, particularly on the Cowboys, particularly in the NFC East that forgot how to play defense and depends as much as any division on up tempo offense.  

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @Brendan  "And that doesn't even bring into account the fact that he has the maturity level of a 12 year old girl. "


So...a 15 year old boy then?

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

He'll obviously make some plays with his legs both running and extending. But I think we're in total agreement here about his ability to consistently put enough points up to win.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit I just don't think his run-around-and-throw-a-30-yard-prayer thing will ever work, and he's now in a league where 300 pound fatties are as fast as he is. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

And that doesn't even bring into account the fact that he has the maturity level of a 12 year old girl. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit His height, when combined with how he throws the ball, would concern me. 


To be clear, I like Manziel, I'll enjoy watching him play....for another team. I don't want him on the Jets, and I think there's little chance that happens, so when I speak about him as a player, that's where it's coming from. 


I agree with the pocket passing. He's small and he doesn't have a high release point, so he will have to use throwing lanes. A big DL that collapses the pocket would make that rather impossible, imo. And if he starts running, defenders are going to light him up. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @MarshRandy 

His height doesn't bother me as much as his ability to be a pocket passer. 

During the TAMU - Bama game they showed a stat with his numbers when leading and when trailing. He was terrible when playing from behind. I think it was under 60% and 2/6 TD/INT. 

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy I am a huge skeptic. He's short and throws sidearm. Russ and Brees (the other "short QB's people bring up) throw over the top, have cannons and very quick releases. Johnny has none of those attributes. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Brendan 3/4 inches taller than Russ. I don't think it matters, he can clearly ball and played behind NFL o-linemen