Win it For This Thing!

I’m moving from Manhattan to Queens tomorrow and spent most of yesterday putting everything I own into boxes in preparation. And to make sure I didn’t have anything to do today except watch the Jets. During my cleaning and packing, I came across this thing:It’s at once the most terrifying and most endearing piece of Jets paraphernalia I own. And I have no idea where it came from.

If the Jets need any additional motivation to win today beyond getting one step closer to winning their way into the playoffs and silencing their critics, then I hope they win it for this thing and to appease whatever desires it has. Because I think it watches me sleep.





102 comments
caseysdad
caseysdad

Jep,

What has amazed me so far in this yet early season, is the fact that the Isles are 9 and 0 in the overtime games, not too damn shabby if you ask me. I know what some think about that stat in here but it is still very interesting, seasons past they might have been no better then 4 and 5, or 3 and 6, so that brings a smile to my face.

dimaio34
dimaio34

Huge weekend ahead with a full line up 2 wins. Mont will be a big time test they are insane right now. Great team great coach. Can't see any trades with edm. They will want strome reinhart. Not trading either but I would grab jägr. Would be down right fun to see. Lou would turn that fourth rounder into a hall of famer!!!! Just a super happy fan right now. Feels great to stick with this team for so long. Now reaping the rewards

vegasvlo
vegasvlo

Jagr for Strait and next yr 4th rounder

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

what do you guys think the chances are of having halak start back to backs? this is a long break before back to back games friday/saturday and then they have another two days off before playing tuesday.  

willymayshays
willymayshays

When I think about JT playing his best, I start to think about MM/JT/P.A..   I'm NOT saying that was the best line BUT I am saying that JT might have played his best with a MM type around the net + P.A. type play making winger.  Kind of sounds like Grabo and Kule.  Maybe that great yr GRabo/Kule had could be recaptured with JT centering their line.  THEN you could move JB/Frans/KO back together... that was the line that got us into the playoffs 2 yrs ago.  Why not try, break up JT and KO, I think they might excel leading separate lines.  Season is young, try everything.  This is NOT a plan for scoring more goals, I'm thinking that this could help get the most out of players, be a solution to balancing our defensive players and maybe scoring more goals as a bonus.  What do you guys think?

erika
erika

Can't wait for Boychuck and Hamonic to be back. Thank god we still had Leddy! The great strides this team has made on and off the ice are directly linked to the acquisitions of Boychuck, Leddy and Halak. Without them, we are last years team. Maybe before the trade deadline we could pick up a winger for the first line, or a hard skating tough D-man. Yes, yes, I know every team in the league wants those 2 things, but maybe, just maybe the perception of this team has drastically changed and players will WANT to come here because they may be the missing piece to a Stanley cup run, ala Butch Goring. The other teams like the Rags and Toronto are heating up...we cannot afford NOT to push forward ourselves! GO ISLANDERS!!!

cournoyer
cournoyer

Welcome back. Fear and intimidation is the peanut butter n' jelly of hockey

Tavares is turning old school nasty. Love it

There will a trade, more towards deadline, it will be rent a player

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

Lighthouse Hockey has the isles as the 13th power ranked team in the NHL based on the true value of Reg wins vs losses vs ot wins vs shootout wins. 


I am happy with the progress that the team has made but lets not be delusional about it.  I will give the negative numbers a break bc we have been without Boychuk and Hammer for a month which I am sure has lowered our corsi and fenwick across the board but our forwards need to shoot more, Grabovski and Anders Lee in particular are proving to be overrated.  There is a reason why we don't score at even strength (other than the 4th line) and why our forward lines are being juggled and why JT is spearing people out of Frustration and going games without even a shot on goal.  Please don't point out that we are top 5 in the league in scoring, we got off to a very hot start offensively which has cooled considerably (also keep in mind that we have been the beneficiary of some terrible goalie starts by some of our opponents that have inflated our numbers a bit...thank you very much Jake Allen and Marc Andre fleury).  You cant rely on your 4th line to carry you in this league.  Shootout wins are covering up some serious flaws in our roster. I wouldn't want to play the Rangers, Pens or blue Jackets in the first round of the playoffs this year with our group as presently constituted.  Not being negative, just being honest.  I love our Defense.  For a small guy Halak is good when he is in control of his emotions.  We have a lot of good forwards but we need an upgrade there from a physical and talent standpoint.  Garth cant look at this team through rose colored glasses. I agree with redspointofview though that we do not have to rush and I like what Willymayshayes said about trying Grabovski with JT so see if that gets both of those guys going a bit.


REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

As the threads roll on,,, there is still a preponderance of pondering about the possibility of putting a new left wing on Tavares' line...  Isn't it nice that this has become the greatest concern moving forward???  Even better,,, is the idea that this perceived huge hole can actually wait to get filled.  We should be in no great rush to forge ahead with a deal right now.  First we coveted Evander Kane, and now it's Taylor Hall, and maybe I have missed someone in between.  No matter...  We just do not need to find a super-star to play with our super-star at this moment.  For the first time in a long time we actually have time on our side...

Don22
Don22

@dimaio34 I brought that up earlier in this thread.  Great minds think alike - LOL.    I don't think it's a crazy idea at all.  The Devils are sinking fast and he might like the idea of playing for all 3 local teams and playing for yet another metro team.  I think he would just need the Jackets and Canes to make it a full sweep.


If he could move to LW, he could be a nice addition to the top line.  My only concern is he may still be a coveted player at the trade deadline.  I wouldn't give up too much for him.  If they want a lot, let him go somewhere else.

dimaio34
dimaio34

Done. The guy is a machine but he's also 43. So he's not worth much more. If that happened I would go beserk his leadership is high end.

doc942
doc942

@Isleguy27 It's a good article... nothing ground-breaking, but good to hear Tavares on record answering the question at least that he feels "fine" physically and was just "frustrated" at the moment.  Hey, it was uncharacteristic for him to retaliate like he did, but I view it similar to another instance (2 years ago?  3 years ago?) when he was getting hammered game in and game out and after another mugging he slammed the gate shut on the bench and slammed his stick and yelled at or to anyone that would listen.  It seemed to ignite a change going forward after that display.  Maybe this will do the same thing.  Call it whatever you/we want... when someone like Tavares vents his frustrations in such a way, there is normally a response afterwords.

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

@slapshot18_rs I don't see that happening personally. The stats of goalies playing back/back are not good and NHL teams are stat driven these days.

since72
since72

@slapshot18_rs i think Johnson has to get some work so I personally would give him the start on Fri.  Also, we don't want Halak overworked and injured.  Halak injury = Islander death.  I really hope Johnson finds his game.  He looked good at the start of the season, positionally sound, some big saves.  Let him start in Detroit because he won't start again until January.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@willymayshays It hard for me to thinking of breaking up and KO and JT, but you are correct that JB/Frans/KO had a good line two years ago. 


Personally, I would try Bailey on the first line with KO and JT for a few more games, if it does not work then on to plan B, whatever that might be.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@willymayshays No....the best line was JT - KO and Vanek.  Sorry but the truth may hurt some folks.  

kevinpt
kevinpt

@willymayshays Never understood why the JB Frans and KO line was never reunited after that run to the playoffs. At least to try it again for a few games.

Don22
Don22

@willymayshays Part of me hates taking KO off that top line because I think that is what has brought out the best in him.  But then again, with JT hurt last year he still played at a high level.  I would like to see Kuli and Grabo play together just to see what would happen.  I'm just not sure their style of play fits with JT.  They are more of skilled skaters that rely on speed as opposed to JT and KO who really rely on puck possession and grinding it out.  But as you said - why not just try it.  

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

@willymayshays i like it. give the present lineup every chance to click while we are still in good position. something has to give though.  we are paying grabbo and Kule a lot of money and they've both been great defensively for the most part but they are getting paid to do more and so is bailey and kyle for that matter. 

willymayshays
willymayshays

Maybe the best thing about this radical change is it isn't so radical, switch Grabo and KO for 2 weeks... that's all.

Don22
Don22

@cournoyer Old school nasty and ill-advised nasty are 2 different things.  He has to get his emotions back in check.  That slash penalty at the end of the Devils game could have cost them the game.  He knows it and said as much after the game.  Channel that nasty into skating with the puck in the offensive zone.  We can't afford to take dumb penalties with the way the PK has been lately, AND we can't afford our best player having less ice time because he is sitting in the box.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@bosstrots1


It's funny how I thought that JT and KO just needed a guy to sit around the net to redirect , screen and get rebounds.  Now I'm thinking they need someone to help set up plays.  Grabo is a natural center/play maker.  It could work.  

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@REDSpointofview exactly  this is not a cup or bust year. we are playing good hockey and there is no reason to  trade top assets to acquire a wing for JT this season.  it is very likely that dalcolle will fill that hole.  adding a 6 million dollar player is not in the best interest of the isles.  there are too many people due for raises in the next two seasons. it is just not necessary at the moment. 

vegasvlo
vegasvlo

You think that 43 yr old is worth more?

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

@doc942 @Isleguy27  kind of shows that it takes 3 players to make a good first line.  no knock on Kule but he is too concerned with getting badk on D and doesn't go hard to the front of the net + he doesn't have the ice vision to jib with Tavares...get this guy a left wing that can pass him the puck and bury JT's passes. 

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Isleguy27 i didn't think so either.  but this would be the best time to do so if they were ever going to do it with the amount of days off coming up, but still agree johnson will get a start. 

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

@since72 @slapshot18_rs  putting in Chad Johnson in net is the equivalent of a forfeit...let Halak go back to back the schedule is light through the holidays..i play ultimate and then go mountain biking the next day all the time and vice versa as well.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@dzruggie @willymayshays


NO.. the point was, getting the most out of JT.  JT made two avg players turn into near all-stars.

sorry to tell you but I don't think the "truth" hurts anyone.  But yes I do agree, I may have been a little ambiguous with my meaning. 

Don22
Don22

@bosstrots1 @willymayshays I have to address the Bailey comment about being paid to do more, because it was something that came up on a FB group earlier.  That Bailey isn't producing up to his 3 mil contract is actually a bit of a misnomer.  Go to www.capgeek.com and bring up Bailey.  He is being paid I think 3.2 mil.  The click on the comparable cap hits and you will see that most of the players on that list that are comparable to his cap hit are right around the same production as Bailey.  There are a few that are more productive, but there are also a few that are less productive.  Some MUCH less.  


It think we have to stop thinking of Bailey as an underachieving #9 pick and think of him for what he is for this team - a defensive minded bottom 6 forward that can score at times.  Can he do better?  Absolutely.  But he is not the trash that many on this site try to label him as.  Based on his contract, he is producing on par with most NHL players that make the same money as him.

Don22
Don22

@willymayshays @bosstrots1 Jaromir Jagr.  :-)   Except that he is RW.  Maybe he can move over to the left.  


If the Devils fall out of it quickly, maybe he is rental for the rest of the season.  The only problem is he probably still has enough value to be held out until the trade deadline.  There will probably be a number of teams that want him.  His age aside, the guy can still produce offensively.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@slapshot18_rs @REDSpointofview

I must admit to being on the Kane bandwagon a few short months ago.  But as they say,,, things change,,, and so has my attitude about rushing into any kind of deal right now.  You are spot on about "cup or bust"...  Perhaps next year... 

Don22
Don22

@vegasvlo for the remainder of this season? Absolutely.  See if he can play LW on the 1st line.  He could open up the ice for JT and KO.  Did you watch the Devils game?  Jagr can still skate with the puck VERY well.


doc942
doc942

@vegasvlo Only because it gives the Islanders exactly what they're missing and it's from within the division and would signal NJ waving the white flag.  And Strait has relatively no value so it basically is Jagr for a 4th.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@slapshot18_rs @Isleguy27 I would go with Halak tomorrow and Johnson on Saturday. Tampa will probably go with one of their backup goalies on Saturday so the matchup may be better.

isles23
isles23

Yes because you going mountain biking and playing Frisbee is equivalent to an 82 game hockey season against the best athletes in the world...

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

@Don22 @bosstrots1 @willymayshays  I don't know how to judge Bailey, i'm sure he is a good kid.  just bc other guys aren't earning their money either that doesn't mean that Bailey is but when healthy he certainly has not been a liability this year like he was last year. its a waste to play him with Franz and Grabbo bc then its 3 guys that don't shoot. it would be great if Bailey could play that P.A. Parenteau role and still be a defensive stalwart.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Don22 @bosstrots1 @willymayshays


Don, I'm really happy with Bailey this yr.  I always find it unfair to say a player isn't trying hard.  BUT it really looked that way to me last yr.  He looked like he didn't want to shoot the puck, didn't want to get hit and skater hardest on his way back to the bench.  Yes, he has more 5 on 5 goals than KO, but it's not numbers I'm speaking of.  He really looks like he is playing the boards tougher, skater harder to get to the puck, shooting a bit more and banging bodies.  (prob a better way to say that)  A defensive player with goal scoring and play making ability is worth 3 mil IMO.  And I was ready to give up on him... 

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@REDSpointofview i have also pondered the idea of adding kane, or hall, or any other star player.  but realistically, those trades won't be happening without significant changes to the roster and the future in general.


i think when kane was being thrown around, it was in the offseason, during training camp, and/or in the first weeks of the season. since then, we have been one of the more competitive teams in the league, showing us that we aren't in dire need to add another winger, especially not at the cost of our top d prospects.


we havent seen a quality islander team like this in a longgg time.  i am happy to be patient and see how our next top prospects can contribute.

vegasvlo
vegasvlo

OK I'll throw in a 8th rounder. I'll set it up. Lol.

Don22
Don22

@willymayshays @Don22 @bosstrots1 I hear ya.  I think this year everyone is looking over their shoulder and they realize they are being held more accountable then they have in the past.


bobb
bobb

@slapshot18_rs @REDSpointofview  trade Tavares, Bailey and  prospect for Hall and Eberle. I know there's probably not an Islander fan anywhere that would trade Tavares, but hey, if the return is right, any player is replaceable.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@slapshot18_rs @REDSpointofview

I believe the Kane rumor started about the time speculation rose that he was unhappy in the small city atmosphere of Winnipeg.  Cheveldayoff stoked the rumor by actually suggesting what it would take to make a trade for Kane.  With almost 40% of the season behind them and currently with a spot in the playoffs, that rumor is long gone.   

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

@REDSpointofview @slapshot18_rs Jets hate Kane and Kane hates the Jets.  Kane is not a bad fallback option if he is not too expensive to acquire bc we could use his size and snarl and he would do well with JT IMHO

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

Jets hate Kane and Kane hates the Jets? No offence, but where did you read that, or is that just an opinion?

Don22
Don22

@bosstrots1 @REDSpointofview @slapshot18_rs He would cost  a lot.  Not as much as Hall, but still too much to go get.  Any trades the Islanders do this season should be smaller, complimentary trades.  Not big blockbusters.  This team is tight knit.  No need to break that apart.  Keep the core together and build around them.