Buzz: Can the Jets get a deal done with Austin Howard?

Free agency’s open negotiation period began Saturday and Jets right tackle Austin Howard is still unsigned.  From what we gather on Twitter, fans are starting to get nervous and apocryphal tales are being told.

Brian Costello wrote for the NY Post yesterday that both sides are in talks, though nothing is done.

The Jets are also deep into negotiations with right tackle Austin Howard, an impending free agent, to bring him back, according to a source.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

The Jets are quite serious about bringing Howard back, but from what we know, talks have been going on for a few weeks now.

That the deal is not yet done is worth noting, but we still feel pretty confident that the Jets will be able to get a deal done.  That said, Cumberland, Lankster and Walls have signed their deals … so what’s the difference in those cases?

The difference in our minds is that Howard stands to earn a lot more than either of those three.  Because of that Howard and his representatives are taking their time, and now with the negotiating window open, can do some checking against what other teams might be willing to offer.

We expect that the Jets and Howard can get a deal done before the Tuesday opening of free agency, but if it is going to go this far, at least Howard and his people should be able to know what fair market for his services are.




158 comments
a57se
a57se

So does Cro get to change his child support payments when he takes a big paycut?

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

Cro's release just been confirmed by Espn

Brendan
Brendan

Steiny saying it's a done deal. 

nesboogie
nesboogie

We're def getting a CB from the market

nesboogie
nesboogie

Antonio Cromartie tweeting as if he got released.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

You can't post a youtube video? LF sucks my D

Brendan
Brendan

Ian Rapoport 33s


DE Everson Griffen is re-signing with the Vikings on a huge 5-year deal, per source

williamg1
williamg1

Trying to comment on livefyre using my cellphone totally sucks. 


Brendan
Brendan

William Clay Ford Sr. passed away (owner of the Lions). 

davem
davem

Off topic. True Detective spoiler alert.

Brett Favre is the Yellow King.

Yellow is the Packers color and Favre's hair color back in the day.

He's Packer royalty.

He's shown predatory behavior towards women.

He roams that area of the country.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

Bent, what good comes from holding onto players? What I mean by that is why wait to release Holmes, Sanchez and cromartie? I don't understand why they haven't been released yet, and I don't know if there's any difference in cutting them tommorrow or down the road instead of today.

williamg1
williamg1

If he signs elsewhere would we get a compensatory pick next year? 

williamg1
williamg1

@MarshRandy  Time to cut Livefyre and resign Di/squs. 


(I can't believe the word "Di/squs" spelled properly will pend a comment. What the hell?)

Bent
Bent moderator

@j3tsfan29  


It may be that they're just going to get a trade or hold onto the negotiating rights while they try and get them to take a paycut.


Also if you wait until the league year starts then you don't have to account for the dead money in the previous year and it keeps alive the possibility of treating it as a post-June cut for added cap flexibility.

__fense
__fense

@j3tsfan29  There is a chance that another team offers a trade for someone we were going to cut anyway, and the chances of that increase every day they stay on the team, however slightly. Also, There's no reason not to cut them now. It doesn't hurt, so why not?

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@j3tsfan29  might as well wait til the last possible moment to see if you can swing a trade 

Bent
Bent moderator

@williamg1  Yes - and if he gets $8m that could be a third rounder.


However, that's going to affect their planning.  A potential third rounder might be worth ensuring you don't have too many qualifying UFA signings to offset it.  So, maybe you limit most of your signings to cut players, RFAs and low level trades.  However, NOT spending that money will increase the number of signings you'll be making.


Letting Howard go and spending the money elsewhere is not plan A for definite.

harold
harold

@Brendan


Why? Because it is a QB driven league and every QB likes to throw from the shotgun.

levi
levi

@williamg1 I agree Livefyre is a locker room cancer that doesnt get along with anyone. Its time to move on.

juunit
juunit

@MarshRandy @Brendan 

That was gonna happen anyway IMO. The Vikings aren't winning anything for a few years, and his career will be over by then. 

So I see three options: He wants to get one last pay day, he wants a ring or he wants to be part of a good D and enjoy his last few years in the NFL. 


We can definitely fill option 1 and 3 for him. Plus we have Dunbar.

davem
davem

Further proof.

The murders were grizzly... Favre looks grizzly

a57se
a57se

@Bent @j3tsfan29 

With near $50 million in cap space after they cut those guys, that hardly seems a necessity...post-june 1st designations, that is.

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy @j3tsfan29 

Maybe we're trying to trade Sanchez and Holmes to the Texans for Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub!

Brendan
Brendan

@harold And when people said "Marty just changed the offense to fit Geno and he'll have to play under center more," that's probably not the case. 


That's one reason I want Sproles. He's a great tool to use in shotgun formations and defenses will have trouble subbing personnel with him in there because they don't know if he's going to play RB or slot receiver. 

juunit
juunit

@MarshRandy @juunit@Brendan 

Depends on what he wants. If he's just looking to have some fun and get one last multi-year deal, I could see him coming here. Especially if he's got interest in some broadcasting after he retires. 

levi
levi

@MarshRandy He may want to go to a contender but I think most defensive players would love to play for Rex/Dunbar.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@juunit @MarshRandy @Brendan  agreed about him being gone regardless, that seems to have been the writing on the wall. Idk if he comes here, surely there will be more established teams he'd rather sign with. I could see Atlanta, he gets to play in another dome and they need a pass rush 

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@Hanknaples For not benching his broken armed ass alone , Mangini deserved  to be fired. Clemons could have won one game and got us into the playoffs that year, but King Brett thinking about himself didn't want to break his streak , the selfish SOB

levi
levi

@Hanknaples  He looks pretty well jacked up Hank. Maybe we should get roided up.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se@j3tsfan29 

Just looked at the Texans cap for this year......YIKES! They are lucky the Cap went up like it did...they are at $122 million for their top 51 right now. Cutting Schaub only saves them a little over $3 million and they have over $10 million in dead money just for him!!!!

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @j3tsfan29  


I dunno man, I think we should get them to throw in JJ Watt to sweeten the pot.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @j3tsfan29  Absolutely not...but the option's there, so nothing to lose by taking advantage.  It's probably less of a consideration than the possible trade/restructure.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Brendan @juunit  i might go archer only because sproles is going to be 31 by week 1...runningbacks over 30 scare me seems like they breakdown rapidly 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Tommy Bo is already the 2nd best FB on the team, anyway. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

Yup, Sproles is a sure thing so it's tough to pass that up. But I do think the team tipped their hand a bit last year in that they want both a speedy little guy and a starting TE (interest in both Austin and Eifert.) I'd probably be on board with both Sproles and Archer and just forgoing the FB and cutting Bohanon. I doubt we can wait around to sign Sproles after the draft. He'll be long gone. And Archer would be lots of fun to root for. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Yeah, I would be leaning towards Sproles depending on cost. I think Marty could have a field day with him. 

juunit
juunit

@harold @juunit@Brendan@rstysanchz 

No, he isn't a RB in the NFL. And if he's going to be a slot receiver he has some work to do. But, that's where he figures to play if he can be more than just a returner/gadget guy. I think he could play a lot like Randall Cobb does, getting snaps out of the slot and out of the backfield. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I'd rather take Jalen Saunders in the 5th pr 6th......

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I thought you weren't here to argue?


"Adjusting to more shotgun sets alone didn’t magically turn Geno Smith into the solid quarterback we saw over the last month of the season."


That's what my point was. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

That's a really tough question honestly. Archer is definitely more explosive. But, is he durable and can he actually become a slot receiver or is he just a gadget player/returner? I guess it'd depend on what Sproles gets. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se  

Even Bent didn't make a definitive  conclusion about that in his BGA.......

"Adjusting to more shotgun sets alone didn’t magically turn Geno Smith into the solid quarterback we saw over the last month of the season. If it were that simple, we’d have seen improvements from him when they did that (to a more pronounced degree) after the first four weeks of the season."

He says here that that wasn't the sole reason as the original article tried to claim........but it does support the notion that the Jets DID change from under the center to more Shotgun after the first four games. There were obviously more factors involved than JUST moving Geno into a shotgun formation......Johnny didn't state this in his post.

harold
harold

@juunit @harold@Brendan@rstysanchz


I said average hands, not WR quality.  For a RB they are fine but at his size is he a RB?  Not likely...so he would need better hands to translate tot he NFL at a higher level.  I like Archer think he is extremely talented athlete, but where do you play him is a question.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Would you rather take Archer in the 3rd or sign Sproles if his price is reasonable? 

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@harold @juunit i was just surprised seeing his draft projection being in the 5-6 round...i like his yards per carry as a runningback especially in 2012 but when you play teams like akron and south alabama his ypc better be good 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit@harold@Brendan@rstysanchz 

Yes, I'm aware of that. It's why I never liked Hill. Straight line speed was his only skill. However, Archer is actually a proven versatile player and is much more than just fast in a straight line. 

harold
harold

@a57se @harold


Then that is just plain silly.  How can you defend something if you don't know what you are defending it from? 


a57se you are something else today.

a57se
a57se

@juunit @harold@Brendan@rstysanchz 

Do you know what the percentage of players who run sub 4.40 40's are that actually make it in the NFL?

Pretty low from what I understand.......

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Johnny was mistaken in how he perceived those shotgun snaps in relation to Geno's success, Harold quoted the pieces that were inaccurate already. It's not untrue that Geno wasn't as good from under center, it's untrue that they stopped letting him pass under center when he played well. In fact, the opposite is true, he played well when he passed better from under center, which one would expect. 

juunit
juunit

@harold @juunit@Brendan@rstysanchz 

Tavon Austin went top 10 last year at the same size. His ridiculous combine numbers make his conference irrelevant. It's clear he wasn't faster than everyone because they were all slow. He's just very, very fast. And, you're just wrong about his hands. 

a57se
a57se

@harold @a57se 

and I was not debating you either Harold and really didn't take your reply into much account when I posted my comment which was, as I have said before, made in support of Johnny65.......

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Sounds like you are still responding to the original article that prompted Bent's BGA.......I don't think I've been supporting that idea nor was johnny from what I could tell.

harold
harold

@a57se


I already said he is better from the gun.  But the point was his incorrect assumption he made as a result.  Again plain English..my statement below:


"Not saying Geno isn't better from the gun, just saying your statement talked about early in the season vs later and that is incorrect.  Objectivity is not the issue here but accuracy is."

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Neither am I. My entire point is that Geno's "under center" problems are being over-analyzed because the league as a whole is moving towards more shotgun-driven offenses. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Harold seemed to be disputing that point in his response to johnny65 but he may have been referring to earlier posts......I thought it was a good place to add a little context to Bent's write-up that you had quoted......I am not looking for a long, drawn out argument about this.

harold
harold

@juunit @harold@Brendan@rstysanchz


Notice I didn't compare his size.  I gave reasons why he may go lower.  Conference, size and not a true position in the NFL due to not having NFL WR quality hands.

juunit
juunit

@rstysanchz @juunit@harold 

I completely disagree about his hands. A guys hands seem to be people's go to knock on a player when they've got nothing else bad to say about him. Archer is more than capable of catching the ball.

FWIW, Mayock said a guy like Archer should typically go 3-5, unless a team feels he can be more than just a gadget player and can withstand enough hits to get legitimate snaps in the slot. Seeing how Archer is the 2nd fastest player to ever hit the combine, I'd err on the lower side of that 3-5 range. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No one was arguing that point, so why would that be what you're choosing to defend? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Read my response to Harold so you'll understand what I was commenting on and wasn't commenting on.


a57se
a57se

@harold @a57se  

Harold, who knows better what I was responding to, you or me?

 "I admire your protective stance but usually when one protects they sacrifice objectivity. Geno did play terribly under center as most rookies do due to them not being able to read defenses well.  Which is why putting them in shotgun helps so they have a full view of the defense."

This is the post I responded to and my post was supporting Johnny's assertion that "Geno did play terribly under center as most rookies do due to them not being able to read defenses well."

That is all I was supporting......


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's wrong, though. The idea that Geno got better in the final four games because of the use of the shotgun formation isn't accurate. 

harold
harold

@a57se


Here is his statement:


"Geno is weak under center and that's a fact. It's also a fact Marty used a much higher percentage of under center snaps earlier in the season."


"It's not a coincidence that once he called more shotgun Geno.s play improved."


Do you care to read again.  I won't get into the name calling but this really ignorance if you cannot read this in plain English and understand it.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@juunit @harold cbs sports has him 5-6 but nfl has him 2-3...im thinking if the jets wanted tavon austin that bad last year then archer has to be on their radar...ive watched only youtube videos so i cant argue about his hands but speed and vision he definitely has  

a57se
a57se

@Brendan  

As I said to Harild, I wasn't debating your comment, I was supporting Johnny65's ........two different things.

harold
harold

@juunit @Brendan@rstysanchz


The difference is Big Conference vs little conference and Archer's size.  He is really small for the NFL and has below average hands

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Apparently I read johnny65's comments better than you did because I was supporting his point, not arguing yours which is not what johnny was talking about.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @rstysanchz 

Highly doubtful. Marquise Goodwin went in the 3rd last year basically on speed alone. Archer did a lot more in college and he's faster than Goodwin. I'd think he's a 3rd round guy at least. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  The quote isn't taken out of context. Bent's findings show that the idea that the move to shotgun was the reason Geno played better in the final four weeks is an oversimplification, because it is. 

harold
harold

@a57se


We are talking about total snaps, not arguing whether he is better from the gun.  He stated they got better because they didn't play from under center at the end of the year. 


Please read more carefully before putting up out on context posts.  Thanks

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  I believe the point of the article was that he had ups and downs unrelated to how often he was under shotgun and therefore to attribute any improvements he made solely to the fact they put him in the shotgun more is a fallacy.  I think I proved that beyond doubt.


However, that doesn't mean that this wasn't a factor at all and it doesn't really touch on whether or not being in the shotgun is or isn't beneficial.


I'd completely forgotten I wrote that, so thanks to Brendan for bringing it back up, regardless of where each of you are able to find any relevance to this discussion.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @johnnyl65 

That quote from Bent's BGA is really out of context......

According to Bent's numbers Geno was 40 out of 80, 50% for 414 yards with 2 TD's and 5 INT's. That is a QB rating of 47.4........pretty poor stats for ANY QB.

From the shotgun his completion percentage (all his stats, really) was 57.0%, nothing to write home about but better then from under center.....

So to say he wasn't as good under center is not an exaggeration or hating him, just a fact.


Also, Bent does note in the piece that Geno WAS under center MORE early in the season (meaning the first four games or so.)......

davem
davem

Listen up you Mothercubbers....

harold
harold

@johnnyl65 @harold


Proctective stance am I a mother cub?  I am talking production and simply explained if you look at the stats your stance is not well supported.  Bent did a breakdown I believe and there were no huge differences.  Men Lie, women lie, numbers don't.


Not saying Geno isn't better from the gun, just saying your statement talked about early in the season vs later and that is incorrect.  Objectivity is not the issue here but accuracy is.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold  I admire your protective stance but usually when one protects they sacrifice objectivity. Geno did play terribly under center as most rookies do due to them not being able to read defenses well.  Which is why putting them in shotgun helps so they have a full view of the defense.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Brendan @rstysanchz  yeah ive seen 5-6 too i was a little surprised because he looks like he can be good from all the youtube vids i watched...i think because he went to kent st and is small is whats making him projected late 

Brendan
Brendan

@rstysanchz He's projected in a late (5th or later) round, right? I wouldn't hate it at that point in the draft. 

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Brendan @harold  just saying they get sproles i wouldnt mind them drafting dri archer to learn behind him 

harold
harold

@johnnyl65 @Brendan@harold


Not really a fact, Geno didn't play terribly early in the season.  His play improved from a terrible 4 game period, once they had the best set of weapons they had all season playing together.  That is a truer statement.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold And the threat of him running would likely lead to guys freezing/hesitating and Sproles getting quick dump offs with open field to run in. I think I would prefer FA WR and Sproles instead of two FA WR's. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @harold  Good coaches coach up the weaknesses of their players. Geno is weak under center and that's a fact. It's also a fact Marty used a much higher percentage of under center snaps earlier in the season . It's not a coincidence that once he called more shotgun Geno.s play improved.

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


Sproles would be Geno's  security blanket.  He would allow him to learn to use his check-downs.  Giving Geno confidence to go through his progressions and know that instead of running he can dump it off.