Buzz: With one game left, GM John Idzik and coach Rex Ryan’s divergent focuses starting to emerge

NFL: New York Jets-Training Camp

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

With Rex’s job up in the air, what are some of the national voices saying about Rex and his status with the team?

Peter King wrote on MMQB what he thinks the Jets should do with their head coach.

I think the Jets should not fire Rex Ryan. Period. End of story. A 7-8 record with a game to go, with that team? Hardly a fireable situation. Extend Ryan one year (his contract is up at the end of next season) and push this decision off until the end of 2014. Ryan, and Jets fans, deserve that.

ESPN’s John Clayton leaves out the shoulds and focuses more with the cold realities.

Rex Ryan successfully motivated his New York Jets to a 24-13 win over theCleveland Browns. He told the team he expected to be fired, according to a Fox report. The win brought the Jets’ record to 7-8, much better than expected for the talent Ryan is working with on offense. Still, with a new general manager looking to make his own mark, expect a change at coach.

We know that Woody doesn’t like to unnecessarily eat contracts, so if the Jets do extend Ryan it might be as Peter King outlines.  

Even so, Clayton’s read on the Jets’ situation might be the right one.  

Never one to throw anyone under the bus, coach Rex Ryan told the press on Monday that the organization was all-in on beating Miami.

“Guys, I think the entire organization’s committed on trying to find a way to beat Miami,” Ryan said. “That’s the commitment that all of us have had to each other. We’re working on Miami, and that’s where 100 percent of the focus is. There’s nothing past Miami. It’s all about getting ready to play Miami.”

It’s a nice sentiment from Rex, but not one that we gather that GM John Idzik supports.  TheJetsBlog has learned today that due diligence is being worked on around coaches that have ties to John Idzik.  As of Monday, the Jets have snooped around defensive positional coaches that fit a certain profile.  The names we’ve heard as a whole can be classified as smart, young, rising positional coaches who have shone in their respective work.  Our first impression is that they might be hard to sell to the media in New York as head coaching candidates, but could be promising coordinators.  

That of course does nothing but beg more questions.

It is well known that Ryan and defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman are very close friends.  So, why would Rex fire his good friend, right hand man and first-year defensive coordinator in favor of a coach (or coaches) he’s never worked with?

Maybe someone should ask the guy who is treading down familiar well worn trails and isn’t helping Rex find a way to beat Miami this weekend.

123 comments
Jim Israel
Jim Israel

One puzzling aspect of this has bothered me for a while: if the Jets were intent on retaining Rex Ryan, wouldn't they already have done it, most certainly in the last couple of weeks, to placate the fans and the hyperbolic sportswriters out there? In other words, why all this suspense if he's not being fired?


Doesn't make sense to me. That's why I think Rex Ryan is a goner.

Chris Vélez
Chris Vélez

Idzik is in a tough situation, If he fires Rex the fan base will go sour on him, But if he doesn't fire Rex and we don't make the playoffs next year everyone will be questioning him on the decision. Its a lose-lose situation and his tenure will be predicated on this decision, So I really don't blame him, Hes the G.M. and needs to put time and effort in the decision.

Personally I think Rex should stay.He has developed a great young defense,Finally has a competent offensive coordinator, and has loads of cap space and draft picks to help out the offense.There isn't even any good replacements out there right now, and Rex is a proven winner in this league.

 

Bigfoo7
Bigfoo7

I am disappointed with TJB for feeding into this whole drummed up story.

It sounds as if even Basset is reading way to much into his sources.

What's gonna happen is gonna happen, stop trying to second guess everything.

Couldn't it be just as likely that Dennis Turman isn't the next great D coordinator and they are looking for a young protégé. Don't get me wrong, Turman is a great coach but he is not a coordinator. A protégé that is Idzik's guy. That when the time is right to move on at head coach they still have some of the best things that Rex brought to the table.

That's what I have liked about Idzik. He is always looking for ways to move forward and improve in every position. I just don't see where the improvement from making a move at head coach would come from right now. There would be to many changes throughout the whole organization to make it a positive move in the near future.

Michael Mandato
Michael Mandato

I love Rex and want to believe that the Jets will keep him.


That said, I don't think that due diligence on positional coaches or coordinators is abnormal this time of year.  I'm willing to give Idzik the benefit of the doubt.  

lrjets
lrjets

Have way over a 100 total years as a sports fan .  Never did the possible firing of a coach or manager affect me as Rex's possible hook.

Only really got to care in mid-season.

REXTEND!

Shahid
Shahid

Ya know whats funny...half the people on here that are talking about how we should keep rex, were calling for his job a few weeks ago. Most of yall are hypocrites. I love you guys, you are my jet brothers but some of you are about as consistent as genos season this year

jake100
jake100

The problem with Rex the last 3 years is he is too inconsistent. He can only get results when the team is backed up against a wall or the team is a gross underdog. What about the rest of the games? Being inconsistent will not get a team to the playoffs as we have seen the last few years. The good coaches are consistent and get the team up for all games not just when their backs are to the wall. Rex is too up and down. They need a more even keeled coach. I think Idzik sees this and that is why in my opinion, change is inevitable.

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

I wonder if Rex's popularity and ability to sell seats and PSLs factors into this in some way. That as a head coach that he is a marketing tool that generates revenue.

I mean if Idzik picks a dull corporate head coach that mirrors his own no personality persona will that bring down sales revenue figures ?

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Don't like the churn of a HC change, but Rex has repeatedly failed to refocus the team after the Bye. He's very good on D, but is very weak on O, challenges and time management. So although I like Rex and wanted him when others pushed for Cowher I know he still has some growing to do as HC (e.g.,  too many excuses  and support for players under-performing, not enough accountability, boosting players to the point of creating holdouts for more money. etc.). If he were to stay, Idzik would have to help Rex mature.


On the flip side, Idzik had better be right with whoever he brings in. That means no missteps and do-overs making the team regress. He must build off the core and make the playoffs next year with the O talent he must import during this off-season,


I can live with whatever direction Idzik goes in as long as that direction is up!

Joseph Covington
Joseph Covington

hey Idzsh!t I dare you to fire Rex Ryan! You don't have the fans behind you yet. Rex does. Ticket sales will drop drastically and you will be the reason. I don't like Rex all that much but I DON'T KNOW YOU AND YOU HAVE NOT BLED WITH US YET.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

REASON #12 THE JETS MUST FIRE REX RYAN NOW !!!!!

12) Buddy Ryan's Defensive Manual has lost its Creativity,

     Witness Pettines Defensive BEATDOWN OF MiAMI this past Sunday

marcus81
marcus81

give Rex better players on offense against his will of course using the top picks in the draft and signing key FA's, and let's see what he does with the team next year, if the Jets don't make a vast improvement with better talent, then look for another HC.

buddyryan
buddyryan

I just don't get why Idzik wouldn't want to extend Rex another year (through 2015). He could even give him a playoffs or bust ultimatum. Firing Rex, means getting rid of Marty and David Lee. It means Geno will be starting all over again with a new coaching and a new offense...only makes sense blowing it up if Idzik wants to not only move on from Rex but also move on from Marty, Lee and possibly Geno. Maybe Idzik's guy wants to draft his own QB.

My preference is to keep Rex, give Geno another year and draft some receivers.....Hoping

downfield
downfield

In a couple of threads today I've seen that someone is gonna cancel their season tickets and a couple of people suggest they aren't going to follow the team at all next season. I don't wanna see Rex go either but he's one man. We're Jets fans and a lot of us have been fans of this organization for a very long time, ups AND down. 


Idzik is apart of this team too. If he cans Rex of course he has to make a good decision w/ the next guy. If he does anything regarding this team it has to be a *good* decision. This guy was hired to make decisions. I won't like it if Rex is fired but I'm not gonna bail on the green and white.

realjetfan
realjetfan

And here folks, are why the Jets haven't won crap for the last 40 or so years.


I can't even fathom why the organization is even considering letting Rex Ryan go. The Jets have the building pieces for something special. They have the team chemistry and spirit. They have anticipated cap room, especially after cutting Sanchez and Holmes. They have a great mix of promising youth (Wilkerson, Sheldon, Geno, Ivory, Coples, etc) and aged veterans that still got game (Mangold, Ferguson, Harris, etc). I haven't seen this team "give up" once all season. They may have struggled at times, but they never threw a game in because of the score.


And they're about to give this all up by firing Rex... pathetic. Disgraceful, honestly.

rock316nyj
rock316nyj

Fire rex and my season tickets are canceled the same day. Period. And I'm a season ticket lifer. Tired of rebuilding every five years. We have a coach who has proven he can win big games against big time coaches and big time qb's. Now get him some weapons on offense, like he had his first 2 years, and this shouldn't even be a discussion. This will be a sickening day for Jets nation if Ryan is fired and most certainly means a step back for next year.

Joseph Covington
Joseph Covington

Johnny boy better be right. So far his staffing decisions have been very questionable. This guy is quite and distant from the players. What has he done before? Who has he drafted? Seattle? They stank for years. I'm Saying It First HE IS IN WAAYY OVER HIS HEAD! Be Careful Johnny Boy you fire Rex you fire yourself. I know football too. Dissention is in his mist. Get out of the office and come to the team meetings. WEIRDO!

Brian Bassett
Brian Bassett

@Bigfoo7 I would agree that Thurman offers almost no value beyond Rex's presence, but even if they bring in a new defensive coordinator in Thurman's stead, it's not much of a vote of comfidence in Rex ... is it?

a57se
a57se

@lrjets 

So you are over 100 years old? That is amazing! Who did you root for before the Jets?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100Rex wasn't inconsistent.  The offense was consistently inconsistent because of uneven QB play and questionable OCs.  Now, Rex finally has a good OC that he hand-picked and there's chance for consistency on offense.  Plus, pick a good or great HC that has been "consistent" and I'll bet he's been joined at the hip with a great QB.

a57se
a57se

@jake100 

I thought it was the PIECES? 

Is it only the PIECES when you are talking about the QB's?


jake100
jake100

@Neil Herschkowitz 

Not if the new head coach gets the team to the playoffs. That is the reason Idzik would be choosing a new HC. Fans would not care if the new HC is dull, it is the results that they are after, that is why Rex is shaky right now...... no winning season in 3 years and no playoffs.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@HanknaplesOf course, Pettine employs the Buddy Ryan manual and won by relentless blitzing of Tannehill; just like Buddy would've done in 1987.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Hank, who do you root for when Buffalo plays Miami? 


Who do you root for when Damon Harrison matches up with Alex Mack? 


Oh, and go away, you're not a Jets fan. 

Roger Kappe
Roger Kappe

@downfield While i agree with your sentiment I just don't see a coach that has the same potential / pedigree / following as Rex does and don't see how Rex could have done better with this roster and a rookie QB.


If Idzik see's Rex as the problem it's going to make me question his football decisions. If he brings in another guy just to be 'his guy' and that coach bombs... he will be chased out of town with pitchforks. 


If he keeps Rex and Rex fails next year he can fire him then and still get his shot at "his coach". 


It's basically a win win to keep Rex and improve the level of talent on the Roster. He's proven that he can get value from old guys ( See: Pace, Tomlison, Colon )  People who don't see that are either blind with hatred or just unrealistic. 


Joseph Covington
Joseph Covington

Wtf has idzsh!t done. He's not apart of this team. NOT YET!

bharper42
bharper42

@realjetfan 


well most likely because they don't trust rex to do anything worthwhile with 12 draft picks, and a salary cap of 40million.


After all look how the team stunk it up against bad teams this year even after idzik improved upon


the QB, RB, OL, DL, OC, TE, and yes i'm going to say it WR.  Idzik brought in:


geno > sanchez, ivory > green, winters=slauson, sheldon > 2012, MM > sporano, cumberland > 2012, and nelson and the makeshift WR core were > 2012 (sanchez factor, sporano).


All of these positives and still ryan is 7-8 with 2 gift wins.  Complete defensive breakdowns vs tenn, cincy, miami, buffalo where journeymen qbs and rookies looked like all pros against "his" side of the ball.


Not to mention horrible penalties, lack of discipline, unfocused, non motivational play, and an over reliance on scrubs due to loyalty.


As jimmy johnson said "you used to be able to count on the jets giving you something" and here we are.  the jets always giving opponents something.  That falls on the HC.  Throw in his failed drafts the past 4 years, lack of understanding of offense and you have mediocrity and below average play.  And oh look 8-8, 6-10, 7-?.  Why would you keep that?



a57se
a57se

@rock316nyj 

You should call in now and let them know! All season ticket holders who feel that way should let your voice be heard now!

__fense
__fense

@Joseph Covington To be fair, Idzik was the guy in Seattle who scouted Russel Wilson, so He's hit on at least 2 picks (Wilson and Boss Hogg) off hand. I'm sure he had a role in most of the current Seahawks team, and I think at least Geno and Milliner are going to be pretty good when they are developed. He's a GM, not a coach, so his job isn't to be close with the players. I don't want him to fire Rex either, but he hasn't done that yet, so I don't know why you are so angry at him. The media lies to us all the time, so I don't see why we should believe them now. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brian Bassett@Bigfoo7Isn't there also a chance that Thurman wants to go out on his own?  The Ryan family coaching tree has had success in New Orleans, KC and Buffalo.  So, there's a chance Thurman might leave and Idzik is quietly doing his due diligence.


I still think it makes little or no sense to fire Rex for the coaching job he did this season.  Just as Rex is "getting it" as HC, firing him would be dumb.

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Oh, so then if Idzik had his choice this year we of course would be in the playoffs now? Idzik wants his choice so he can inflict his brand, and have greater control. Like most

GMs he wants his guy, and that's understandable.

I don't feel Idzik necessarily cares how fans feel. If he did, perhaps he would have drafted one playmaker on offense.

The odds of a new coach with yet another system, and new coordinators working out well for wins and fan bliss are slim to none for yet another season.

This is a win now time for 2014. How many years should our fan base suffer? Yes, build through the draft, and no more quick fix Tanny nonsense....but let's not

start all over again from square one.

We have 40 million in cap space and eleven draft picks. I say keep Rex, keep his staff , continue to work with Geno and draft or locate in free agency some elite playmakers.

For me, dispite Rex's issues he will get us the most wins next season, and keep fans happy.

Certainly some no name coordinator or college coach could be much worse for the team then Rex....who dispite what you say made this team relevant.

downfield
downfield

@Roger Kappe I agree. With Rex's D I think the jets are a shoe in for 5.5-6 wins and a good offense should net the Jets a few more. I don't think I would go AS far to doubt Idzik's football acumen if he cans Rex. An unpopular decision by Idzik isn't an inherent bad football decision.  Firing Rex can be seen as a bad football decision but just because we can't conceive his successor doesn't mean that successor doesn't exist. 


I personally can't see Woody, who's Rex's biggest fan, allowing Idzik to fire Rex. But if he does I won't bail on the Jets. 

Joseph Covington
Joseph Covington

He Beat Brady 4×. He Beat Brees 3×. HE BEAT MANNING 2x. Thats all that counts! Mitch!

davem
davem

Do it! Do it! Do it! Wedgie! Wedgie!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100THis just isn't a true recitation of the past 3 season.  The Jets' backs were against the wall in 2011.  At 8-5, the Jets needed 2 wins in their final 3 games to make the playoffs.  They got blown out the first game against the Eagles, to go to 8-6.  Then, with their season on the line and against the hated Giants, the Jets lost, then finished a disappointing season with a dispiriting loss against the Phins.  So, your narrative is just wrong.  Starting in 2011, more was asked from the QB and he just couldn't deliver.  It's the poor QB play that has cost the Jets these past 3 seasons.

Joseph Covington
Joseph Covington

Making due with what he was forced to do this year and the end result is what counts. Idzik has done nothing for this team. When he does let me know

jake100
jake100

@Neil Herschkowitz 

Avery good post with some solid points, but my concern is Rex is too friendly with the players on a emotional level and as a result, there is no consistency with the team. Rex seems to only get them to play hard when their backs are to the wall, but as we all know as per the last 3 years , that wont get you to the playoffs, you have to play hard all season long and Rex seems to struggle with this. I think it is time for change and we need a more disciplined and objective HC that will infuse consistency. I am tired of only winning the last 3 years when our backs are against the wall or we are a gross underdog. The jets need to cut their losses now and move in a new direction, mediocrity got old.

Brendan
Brendan

@bharper42 Nope. Winters has been downright terrible. Slauson, while not all that great himself, was leaps and bounds above the level of play Winters has shown this year.