Checking in on the preseason power rankings

A few websites of late have been doing preseason power rankings … did the Jets fall in the thirties again this year?  It would seem not, with the Jets landing more towards the middle of the pack than they did a year ago … but no one is preparing for their Super Bowl run either.

Here’s Josh Alper’s blurb for PFT

19th

The Jets need a consistent and reliable quarterback if they are going to be a consistent playoff participant and they aren’t sure if they have one.

[...]

There’s more certainty about the quality of the offensive talent around the quarterbacks this year, though. Adding Eric Decker, Chris Johnson and Jace Amaro gives the Jets a much deeper group of options at skill positions to go with a defense that did a very good job on the way to last year’s 8-8 record. Even a modest bump in production at quarterback would give the Jets the right to think about the playoffs, so the pressure is on

Yahoo!’s Frank Schwab writes a projection on Shutdown Corner but is a little less sanguine than Alper.

23rd

I just don’t think the Jets have the quarterback play to get over the hump. I think Smith will be better, and in a perfect world he’d be a solid quarterback by year three or four, but good luck finding that kind of patience in that market. The schedule and offensive issues might prevent the Jets from reaching .500. If that’s the case, it’ll be interesting if Ryan survives for another season.

Also, here’s one from right after the draft from Elliot Harrison at NFL.com:

17th

It was hard not to like the Jets’ draft. While we’re at it, let’s give some kudos to Rex Ryan for admitting some homerism in the selection of quarterback Tajh Boyd. Or call it quasi-nepotism; Ryan’s son played with Boyd at Clemson, so the New York coach made the move. All good. A sixth-rounder shouldn’t threaten Geno Smith, anyway.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Last year’s many rankings of the Jets at or near the bottom of the barrel was harsh.  We said so at the time and that we believed them to a better team.  Over the course of the 2013 season, the Jets demonstrated that while the team had some building and growth to do, they were not as bad as many analysts had said.

This year the team is in the middle of the pack, and we cam understand where the analysts are coming from again.  The Jets surprised many last year with a strong finish, and did nothing but make themselves stronger in the offseason.  The offense got better with multiple acquisitions while the defense got younger and more physical in their secondary to pair with a young and talented defensive line.  Analysts will give the Jets the benefit of their work from last year in concert with their improvements, but until the Jets can start consistently get back to the playoffs, they’ll stay out of the top twelve spots in rankings until such a time.

This will be the year for the Jets coaches and players to demonstrate that they need to be among those discussions




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Joey Cimino
Joey Cimino

Click the link below to sign the petition to have Rich Cimini replaced as the Jets beat writer!


https://www.change.org/petitions/espn-replace-rich-cimini-as-beat-writer-for-the-new-york-jets


By the way - I will post this link on every single Jets post, every single day that I possibly can. I will send this link to every Jets fan I know, and post it on as many message boards as I can. I am SICK AND TIRED of Rich Cimini being the Jets Beat Writer for ESPN.

a57se
a57se

Interesting tidbit:

Tom Brady (9 of 12) and Peyton Manning (13 of 16) have only attempted less than 500 passes in a season 3 times each in their careers...

How many QB's have attempted 500 passes in a season for the Jets and who are they?

Bent
Bent moderator

In honor of TJB Hall of Fame week, I have the fun fact to end all fun facts...


Jets all-time leaders in completion percentage (minimum 500 attempts):


In reverse order...


5. Boomer Esiason 58.7

4. Ken O'Brien 58.8

3. Vinny Testaverde 59.0

2. Chad Pennington 65.6

1. Brett Favre - 65.7

Bent
Bent moderator

@Joey Cimino What if they just move him to "NFL columnist" like the Daily News did with Manish but nothing actually changes?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Joey Cimino

Your petition needs more ridicule for Cimini's lack of salary cap knowledge.


You can't be an expert on the Jets if you state in two consecutive offseasons that it will take more than 7M of cap room to sign a drafted class of rookies.  A statement that ignorant disqualifies you from being an expert.

a57se
a57se

Vinny Testaverde attempted 590 passes in 2000 and completed 55.6% of his throws!

Mark Sanchez attempted 543 passes in 2011 and completed 56.7% of those.

Brett Favre attempted 522 passes in 2008 and completed 65.7% of them.

Richard Todd attempted 518 passes in 1983 and completed 59.5% of them

Mark Sanchez attempted 507 passes in 2010 and completed 54.8% of those passes...


That is it for Jets history.

I am surprised that Brady and Peyton both have more individual seasons attempting 500 passes or more than the Jets do in their history!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent

Jets all-time leaders in completion percentage (MAXIMUM 500 attempts):


5. Brian Hansen - 100.0

4. Bob Gresham - 100.0

3. Bilal Powell - 100.0

2. Leon Washington - 100.0

1. Curtis Martin - 100.0

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

and if you limit that to players with 2000 or more Pass attempts?

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent Honestly I am surprised Boomer is that good with the team he played on. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @Joey Cimino

They should make Cimini the NASCAR columnist, so that he can claim that Hendrick Motorsports will need at to go at least 300mph to win the next race.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se Namath would have had one if they played 16 games back then.  In fact, there's quite a lot of times where the QB averaged enough attempts per game to have 500 over the course of a full season, but ended up missing a start or two to fall just short.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @Bent

How dare you impugn the pass-catching talents of Rob Moore.  HOW DARE YOU, SIR.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @Bent After week 11 of the Favre debacle we all thought we were getting a Jets vs Giants Superbowl.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 If he covered NASCAR the way he covered the Jets, it'd be at most a month before some pissed off driver goes after him with a tire iron. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Still only 5 seasons and TWO of them by Sanchez!!!

That's pretty bad!

Namath would of in 1966 and 1967, but that's it.

Obie in 86, 88 and 89 would have except for injury.

O'donnell in 1997 probably would have passed 500 as well.

Penningtons best of 485 was in his only 16 game season here!

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 They were 8-3 and just rolled over the Pats and Titans, I thought they could have beaten the '85 Bears. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @tsjc68 In more "irrelevant information mined while doing TJB HOF research" from today, I discovered that the NFL released a 12-minute video to teams in 1988 about how they had to deal with the media and Mark Gastineau decided to apologize publicly to the media after watching it.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @tsjc68 

Hey, most of those drivers are good ol' boys and they don't take kindly to yankees making fun of them...

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

With my count, there would have been 11 in the history of the franchise, still less than Peytons' 13 seasons!

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @Bent @a57se 

If you look at that chart, it is interesting that the AFL guys have the worst Completion percentages...Hadl, Blanda and Namath are all at 50% or worse!

Bent
Bent moderator


@a57se @BDarc23 @Brendan @Bent A Subway Super Bowl was being talked about in some circles though (despite the fact you don't take the Subway to get from East Rutherford NJ to East Rutherford NJ.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @BDarc23 I thought they were going nowhere after the Pats win because that exposed all their most obvious weaknesses.  The Titans win stunned me and I'll admit had me thinking I misjudged it and maybe we had a chance, before the last five games merely proved I was right all along.


If they could have got Jim Leonhard and Bart Scott six months earlier, they might have gone all the way.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 It's so funny how quickly that changes the dynamic. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Most of the fights are between two "good 'ol boys," I think it matters less who is saying it and more what is being said. 


They don't take kindly to that stuff from anyone, but if you have a New Yawk accent, it definitely adds a little bit of fuel to the fire. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent Maybe the AFL had better pass defenses.  Maybe the two leagues even had different rules at some stage?

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Yup. People were definitely talking that up big time. 10-1 Giants and 8-3 Jets after beating two of the top teams in the AFC. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan @tsjc68


Not necessarily.  As always, we'll have players from multiple eras.


First article is coming at 4:30pm ET

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Weren't AFL teams exploring more explosive/downfield passing attacks first? 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68 

The rules were pretty much the same...the AFL did have some great secondaries...

a57se
a57se

@Brendan 

Were they? I thought that was the year they squeaked into the playoffs then went on the run all on the road?

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Was there only the one thread that had the fan vote? Will there be more of those types or was that to settle a final decision that was too close to call otherwise?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Bent 

They threw bombs 5 to 15 times a game...the punters weren't very good so they doubled as field position changers...j/k

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent I think that's a factor, yes.  Especially since those guys 57 mentioned were still well regarded despite the low %.


I guess it's like comparing pre-3 point line field goal percentages for the modern NBA era.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Nah. They went 10-6 the year before (a bad 10-6) and won the SB, then missed the playoffs the year after when they went 8-8. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan @tsjc68


Yes and no.  I will finish up with the defense before camp and then maybe do the offensive side of things as a separate project


The next part (Mo!) is well underway.  I've charted 10 of the games from 2012, but also need to chart some other things once that's done.  Hopefully at the weekend.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent


It had more to do with us wanting to wash our hands of the responbility haha.  


I think we'll do another fan vote next year, but we'll ask you to choose between three old-timers.  The rest of this year's class was selected by the committee.


When they're from different eras, the most recent guy has a slight advantage.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Bent 

Daryl Lamonica wasn't called the Mad Bomber because of any ted Kaczynski resemblance!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That's like a historical version of the Favre/arm-punt joke. 


It's also what Johnny Football said to his coach when he had that ridiculously stupid, no-look bomb that went about 40 feet in the air (minimum) and miraculously got caught by his WR. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Yeah, I got the seasons mixed up...Giants won the SB in 2008 for the 2007 season.

Pitt. and Arizona played in the SB the Favre year...

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Can't blame you for passing the buck on that decision, no matter who you choose there will be backlash. 


Works for me, a single fan vote would at least be a fun way to keep everyone involved in the process a bit, and it did lead to some good discussion about how recent players have a significant advantage, how a SB win would change things, etc. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se I still can't get over the fact that Namath passed for 496 yards on FIFTEEN completions.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan Right, the Pats definitely didn't lose to the Giants that year, because we eliminated them by losing to Miami.  Cassel was their QB that year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@brendan @a57se


Between week seven and 14, Geno only had 533 yards.  It took him 49 completions.


Against the Colts in 2012, Sanchez had 11 completions.  If his next four passes were all 99-yard touchdowns, he'd still have been 18 yards behind Namath.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan @a57se 

Hahaha...that is what made the Jets SOOO much more fun to watch then the three yards and a cloud of dust Giants!

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Hahaha that's so insane. Talk about all or nothing. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @brendan @a57se 

Haha...did you take a look at the boxscore i linked to?

His last two completions were 79 yard and 80 yard passes for TD's to Rich Caster!

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent At least I didn't mention that the previous year was when the Pats went 16-0.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan 

18-0 and they had already printed the 19-0 jerseys that ended up in Haiti!

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @brendan 

Run, run, BOMBS AWAY!

I know I watched it as I was 15 then and wouldn't have missed it for anything...

but I really can't say that I remember it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent Oh man that's awesome!


I'd never seen that.  Hahahaha.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I love how the security guys do nothing to stop the players from getting pelted. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent I knew what was coming but that was still awesome.  Haha.


Had you seen that before or did it just emerge?