Daily Links: Best laid plans

  • Source: Idzik calm, collected and unwilling to mortgage the future [Metro]
  • Jets not being aggressive in pursuit of Cromartie [NFL.com]
  • Ford: Jets are the team showing most interest in me [ESPN New York]
  • Who’s left on the cornerback market? [Star Ledger]
  • Desean Jackson to be traded? [CSN Philly]



136 comments
xplr
xplr

As much as I want to believe in Idzik, the team right now has arguably the worst defensive backfield in the NFL.  There is virtually no chance this gets addressed thru free agency as there is very little out there. So.... the Jets have to hope that either:


1. They can fill their needs through the draft (highly unlikely considering all the other needs)


2. Teams cut quality guys in the pre season. This always happens, but is that really the way you want to build a winner in 2014?

dagr33k
dagr33k

A third round pick is nothing to pay for Jackson, but the 30 mil for 3 yrs is a lot unless the Jets sign Vick who has downfield success with him. He would be very productive in morningwhegs system and Vick throwing him the ball. Jackson is also an explosive punt returner and everybody knows we need more than Kerley fair catching the ball on every punt.

Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

Yea but we can handle trading for Desean n sign those guys n if we trade for him he knows the system fills the void as our top receiver and deep threat n we have three top receivers n can draft amaro.

lagoo
lagoo

I like that idzik isn't spending big money. We eventually have to pay our young studs on d. What if coples and Demario Davis have breakout years. Bet spending all that money in the offseason wouldn't look so smart then.

williamg1
williamg1

So team executives are now leaking stories that the team executives' plan is going just fine. 


So we've reached the point where team Idzik is now running to the press. I thought the lack of going to the press is the reason we like Idzik? 

BDarc23
BDarc23

Any news on Calvin Pace?

Mike
Mike

Idzik knows what hes doing. From reading that post, Idzik wants to build our team through the draft and im glad hes not overspending on free agents. Hes trying to save room to resign players for the next year. Nice offseason so far for Idzik.

Iain Bartholomew
Iain Bartholomew

So the Star Ledger is reporting that Michael Vick will visit with the Jets this weekend. Everyone excited?

Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

n sign colon n wen ready as an offense maybe get a back in the second to catch out of the backfield n were good to go

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1  You're entering the Hankzone, where anything pro-team was leaked by the team and anything negative is legit. Come back to us, Will, before it's too late. 

levi
levi

@BDarc23  He's cleaning up some leftover corned beef as we speak.(blog)

Mike
Mike

@BDarc23 we resigned him to a contract yesterday. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

Mike- I'm all for being patient and see what the final roster looks like before putting the TJB posters on suicide watch but "nice offseason so far" ? Really? That's a bit much.

BDarc23
BDarc23

At this stage Vick is a lot better than Geno. If Vick gets hurt and Geno comes in there is no harm. Worked for Foles last year.

Brendan
Brendan

@Iain Bartholomew  Sounds like it's going to happen, imo. He turned them down because they didn't guarantee him a starting job. No one else did, so he's circling back. 

Mike
Mike

@Iain Bartholomew Im not too big on Vick. The dude is injury prone. But if hes coming to mentor Geno Smith, i pick him up at the right price.

Brendan
Brendan

@Iain Bartholomew  Ohhhh baby!


This place will be a circus. The previous single-thread record will be shattered. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1  I want to see some consistency. Don't criticize the last regime for leaks, and then praise Idzik for NOT leaking, only to find his new leak to be just fine. 


Its amazing that any criticism -- any at all -- will not be accepted. If you criticize you become a troll. 


We've seen this around here on a number of occasions. Anyone who dare say Sanchez sucks was shouted down in 2009-2011 (and I was one of the loudest shouting people down). We've seen the same with the hiring of Sparano, bringing in Tebow, etc.


If anyone had dared criticize those moves, they were basically called a troll. 


Don't you think that practice should end? Don't you think dissent should be accepted?  

BDarc23
BDarc23

I know. I was just kidding since that post generated so many comments yesterday

Mike
Mike

@BDarc23 what you expect out of Idzik? Look at what hes done at Seattle. There was an article on how he builds a team at jets nation. One of the members talked about it. Its a pretty good article.

MPTG_Frank
MPTG_Frank

Not to be difficult, but, when did Michael Vick become mentor material?

levi
levi

@Brendan Im just gonna go ahead and pencil him in on the roster. SD99 predicted it and so shall it be done.

Monty Granito
Monty Granito

@Bent @Brendan @williamg1  The same people preaching patience are the same ones wanting vick. It definitely seems as if there's a agree with whatever the jets do or say club.. and thats fine

levi
levi

@hanknaples I had to google that Hank. I like learning stuff though.

a57se
a57se

@hanknaples  

Haha....that is a good one...Vick going to the Dawg Pound!

hanknaples
hanknaples

@a57se @hanknaples

I'm torn on that move.....don't know what to think, other than Thinking about  Joeys comment about Vick joining the Cleveland Dog Pound  LMAO !!!!

a57se
a57se

@hanknaples  

I am surprised you aren't weighing in on the Vick thread!

hanknaples
hanknaples

@a57se @hanknaples

Man I cant post my REALcomment....as they say It was left in the Ink blotter!!!

hanknaples
hanknaples

@Zartan @williamg1

You have commited BLASPHEMY comparing Pennington to Sanchez.....REPENT SINNER (^o^) !!!

Zartan
Zartan

@williamg1  , same thing that happened to Sanchez, happened to Chad and started out the same for Geno. 


Sanchez is not great but he's good enough, he could have won us a bowl or 2. Give the guy some talent and let his gift of luck work(that's Eli's gift as well).

hanknaples
hanknaples

@williamg1

William you are sooo dead on the apologists cant stand it....it's  like the Anti-Christ has appeared !!!

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @Bent @a57se  Who, Hank?????????????????


Nevahhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

levi
levi

@Bent @a57se  Maybe he broke the system with an over abundance of question marks and exclamation points.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  I don't actually know what the filters are, but typically it would be curse words, insulting language and stuff that is commonplace in spambot parlance (ie mentioning casinos, viagra, louis vutton bags etc)

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Hanknaples 

What kind of triggers are there in this system?

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples


No idea, Hank.  There are no blocked or deleted posts by you showing in the system but maybe you triggered some kind of filter or something.


You'll just have to be brief and to the point.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se@Brendan@williamg1 

We all know what the media inaccuracies are but that doesn't mean everything else is invalid. We have posters who don't bother to check on their so-called facts and you are correcting them all the time, it doesn't mean you decide they are trolls and ANYTHING they say is wrong. You've been wrong on occasion, should we discount everything you say because of that?


Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I might've misread his comments, but I think it's also an unfair comparison. Manish makes a living off of trolling the Jets and the team's fans, Dyer makes a living off of being, for the most part, a fair and objective reporter. I get what Will's saying, but Manish has a noted and documented history of BSing everyone and since it's always negative BS, fans predictably hate the guy and question everything he posts. Dyer doesn't do the stuff Manish does, so he gets a fair shake. 



Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan @williamg1  I've accurately dispelled enough media inaccuracies over the years that I can confidently say there is more than "sugar coating" going on when the validity of any bad reports is queried.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan@williamg1 

Why not simply seek the truth........there is no reason to sugarcoat everything the Jets do.....grown-ups don't need sugar in their medicine.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @williamg1  I may be wrong but I don't think that's what williamg1 is doing here.  I think it's more of a satirical campaign against posters he views as unwilling to accept that any negative reports could be true, while accepting everything positive.


That's something I've seen you accused of in the past, but I'd suggest that's not necessarily 100% fair because you're just trying to see the logic behind the team's moves and overall plans, much as I do myself - and also fighting the good fight to try and maintain a positive attitude among the fanbase, which is commendable, if futile.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @williamg1 

I believe both. I believe Idzik is rigid and unyielding and that the  the new one thinks that is the way a GM should be so it is positive.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1  You're picking and choosing which "leaks" to believe. 


Criticize the team all you want, but you're buying Manish at face value and scoffing at anything that differs from it, which goes beyond just criticizing the team. 

MPTG_Frank
MPTG_Frank

It certainly is 21st Century thinking. LOL

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent It's genius! Vick is the only backup the team could sign that could supplant the current below-average starer but would still not get called for by the fan base because they hate him also! Brilliant!

Bent
Bent moderator

@MPTG_Frank  This is going to be a weird one.  The backup often comes in when the starter is booed but when this one comes in, half the fanbase is going to be booing him too!

MPTG_Frank
MPTG_Frank

I'd be worried less about the back stab, and more about the fan reaction the first time Geno is less than effective. There is bound to be the potential for a quarterback controversy the first time he throws a pick against the Phins or Pats.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

and if I was a child and believed everything one person wrote to be true or if they were wrong one time that everything was false you would have a valid point but I am not a child, I actually think like an adult and realize that people make mistakes, have different opinions and biases that make for interesting takes on situations. I have learned how to differentiate for myself and come to my own conclusions. I don't need group think or anything else for that matter..........

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

@MPTG_Frank  Didn't Vick just admit like last year that he doesn't know how to read defenses? Let's just hope he's mentoring in off the field stuff then.... O wait never mind that. Hopefully, he just tells him, " don't be like me" and pushes him through competition. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @MPTG_Frank  To answer Frank's question, if there is an answer, it's probably when Vick himself sought a positive role model in Tony Dungy.


The trouble is that the guy behind you is always the one best-placed to stab you in the back.

Brendan
Brendan

@MPTG_Frank  *Mark Brunell. 


And I'm not saying Vick is going to be like Ed Reed or anything, but he does play a similar style to what Geno will need to play in order to win games and he's the only guy who can legitimately push Geno. I wouldn't be surprised if Vick starts the season if he's signed, to be honest. I wouldn't want that, but I can see it happening. But he at least showed last year he's not a spiteful guy and won't turn away from the starter just because he's playing over him. 

MPTG_Frank
MPTG_Frank

This wasn't meant to be an assassination of Vick the QB. It really has nothing to do with the Dog stuff, either. I just think that justification by anointing him "Vick as Obi Wan" doesn't sit right. You want to bring him in to play, thats certainly one thing. But I don't see him as a Scott Brunell type

levi
levi

@MPTG_Frank  I dont know what kind of mentor he is but Geno/ Vick have a similar style so theres that. If one or the other gets hurt they wouldnt have to change the game plan.

a57se
a57se

@MPTG_Frank  

It is a joke how these things have a life of their own.