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  • 2014 Jet Press Mock Draft: Version 1.0 [The Jets Press]



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a57se
a57se

Since Mock Drafts seem to be in vogue today, here is my wish list:


Round 1 Marqise Lee WR........................the Jets need WR's who can win one on one match-ups off the Line of scrimmage and who can turn short passes into long gains.

Round 2 Davante Adams WR...................same as above

Round 3 Troy Niklas TE............................We need a 3 down TE who can block and catch passes.

Round 3 Jackson Jeffcoat OLB/DE...........Has the length and size to set the edge and has some quicks off the ball. Needs coaching.

Round 4 Charles Sims/Marion Grice RB...Need a 3-down type back who can CATCH the ball out of the backfield. both these guys fit the bill so I'd take either one.

Round 4 Comp Marqueston Huff FS.........Speedster who can contribute right away on ST's and can learn from Ed Reed who i would bring back.

Round 5 Lamin Barrow ILB........................Need depth here and have to start grooming someone to replace Harris, also a ST guy.

Round 6 Jalen Saunders WR....................Small quick twitch guy who can return punts and KO's plus provide some reps on third down 4 or 5 WR sets.

Round 6 Comp Larry Webster DE/OLB.....Project OLB with good potential and a ST guy.

Round 7 JC Copeland FB..........................Competition for Bohanon.

Round 7 Comp Colt Lyerla TE...................Top TE prospect with off the field issues....take a chance on him

Round 7 Comp Jeff Matthews QB..............Big QB with good arm as a developmental guy.

harold
harold

Here is my mock:

1st trade back with Panthers pick up their Panthers to 28 in draft.

We get the their 2nd next year and this year 3rd rounder and 5th rounder. 

1st) Austin Seferian Jenkins TE

2nd) Allen Robinson WR

3rd) Xavier Su'a Filo OG

3rd) Michael Sam or Jeremiah Attaochu OLB

3rd) from Panthers:  Donte Moncrief WR

4th) Antonio Andrews RB

4th) Compensatory Kenneth Ladler Vanderbilt FS

5th)  Tajh Boyd Clemson QB

5th) From Panthers Jaylen Watkins CB

6th) Cody Hoffman WR

6th) Compensatory Aaron Colvin CB

7th) Deandre Coleman DT

7th) Compensatory Colt Lyerla TE

7th) Compensatory Zach Hocker K

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se Adams? Really? Thought you were in the "not into him" category.

I doubt Niklas leaves the second, from what I've heard. 

+1 for Jeffcoat. Sims is good, not big on Grice.

Don't know the FS... Barrow is Small, man... Playing in the 220s.

Saunders is cool with me for that OW role.

Don't know Webster... Copeland is fine... Not sure why everybody seems to love him so much, though.

+1 on Lyerla and Mathews, though. Solid picks.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

By the way...that would be a VERY favorable trade for us if Carolina agreed to it......

Our 1st round pick is worth 900 points

Carolina's 1st, 3rd and 5th are worth approximately 810 points

Since the worst their second round pick next year could be is 270 points if they have the last pick in round 2......they are trading it for 90 points this year! that is the equivalent of an early 4th round pick.....

I do like the concept of getting a pick or two in 2015 if possible.

djf1
djf1

@harold I think this is way too many picks...on one hand this is insurance to an extent, but the reality is that we'll have to cut half of them at least.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I like the Montcrief, Coleman and Lyerla picks.

Su'a Filo should be gone by the time we pick in the third as well as Attaochu.

Tajh Boyd will be long gone by the 5th round.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Amaro > Ebron, and Second is too early for Landry, IMO. Having watched a lot of LSU in the last month, I'm a lot less impressed with Mett than I used to be... Would rather see a guy like Fales there. Haven't watched the corners yet this year, so can't really comment on that pick... Would LOVE to get DAT. OW/KR/PR is a clear need on the team.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Johnsbodybyvi LedoA 3rd round pick for a QB would be a monumental waste of resources.  If the Jets don't want Geno, then trade up in the 1st round and get a real QB prospect.  3rd round QBs rarely make it and IMO the success of Foles, Wilson and (perhaps) Glennon is blinding people to the fact that those 3 are among the best 3rd round QBs that have been drafted since 1980.  In that time, only 1 3rd round QB has won a SB game, and that was Jeff Hostetler, who nobody would mistake for a true franchise QB.


By way of contrast, the 3rd round over the same time period has yielded many more productive RBs, including guys like Charles, Gore and Westbrook.  And, of course, Curtis Martin was a 3rd rounder.


And, the 3rd round during that time has yielded dozens of productive WRs, from Keenan Allen, to TY Hilton to T.O. and Hines Ward.


I could go on and on.  Probably the least productive position to draft in the 3rd round is QB.

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo 

You didn't include the likely comp picks we'll receive.

I wouldn't take Mettenberger in the third. He is out this year with an ACL so you are drafting him as a project. 

I wouldn't take Jean-Baptiste either, he is just too slow and not very physical.

Spencer Long? Never heard of him.

Copeland? Anyone to replace Bohanon is fine by me!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo  For me drafting a TE in the first round,  he better have a size or speed advantage and be a damn good blocker to be drafted in the first round.   

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong

I think Adams is a better version of Montcrief......he has good size and solid hands. He has grown on me.

Maybe right on Niklas but like Harold said, anything can happen between now and May.

Huff is getting a lot of Buzz at the Sr. Bowl and he is a sub 4.4 guy......

Barrow has the frame to put on more bulk if needed but I am taking him in the 5th round.....

Webster had a good week at the E-W Shrine game and got a couple sacks in the game.

Copeland is impressive on film.

harold
harold

@a57se

I have the Panthers targeting Marquise Lee in this mock.  Again subject to change.  They move up to get their eventual replacement for Steve Smith

harold
harold

With this many picks we would be able to move up to take players we are targeting.  So I doubt 14 but I think with our roster we should make 11 selections at least.

harold
harold

We pick really hig in the 3rde we have chance.  Larry Warford was a high 2nd round pick in projection last year and went in the same spot.  So it is possible.  But Gabe Jackson would be a possible pick if he is gone for RG.

Remember we have not had the combine yet so once that comes we will have a better picture of where people go.  This more about needs and fits based on players who may be there. 

Tajh Boyd is having a very average week at the Sr Bowl.  So he may very well be there.

bradysucks
bradysucks

The only QB I'd trade up for is Manziel.....

Every draft is different. You can't just rule out a QB in round 3 as Foles and Wilson prove.....Sure it isn't common to strike gold in round 3 but sometimes you do...

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

And if Philadelphia, Seattle and TB had followed your advice.........

If you like a player, you draft him whether it is the third round or the 7th.....it is short sighted to say "Oh, you can't draft a QB in the third because most of the time it doesn't work out."

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong 

If Niklas is gone by the third, I would take Fiedorowicz......he is already an NFL caliber blocking TE.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I like Websters' upside even more.......

harold
harold

I like Jeffcoat,  With Coples was looking a for more quick twitch speed rusher.  So went with Sam.  But I really like Jeffcoat's upside

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Bent @Marcus Armstrong @a57se Son, I think. Very highly regarded recruit, mildly disappointing college career (As is the case with everyone Mack Brown coaches). Torn Pec last year, I believe.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Most draft trades end up being good value for the team trading up. Last year the team that traded  up averaged ~ 90% value given up.

In othwer words, if the difference between their pick and the team they were trading with was 100 points, they only had to give 90 to get the trade done.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo @Bent If they didn't waste so many picks, that might have got them over the hump instead of looking like contenders every year and then failing hilariously.

djf1
djf1

@Bent plus, let's hope our 2015 draft position is worse than the 2014 one. (and the team we'd trade with is better!)

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent It's a good strategy for a GM and coach who feel secure and are not worried about getting fired.   I think teams give up more value when giving up a future pick.  

And if a franchise type QB is in a future draft,  the team has some ability to maneuver around.

Bent
Bent moderator

@djf1 @Bent @harold Very Patriots-like, with the endgame being that we hopefully wouldn't waste the extra picks like they always do.

djf1
djf1

yeah, I wouldn't mind picking up a couple of 2015 picks. @Bent@harold

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, this just goes back to something Harold and I discussed the other day, about reaching a point where you have too many picks. 


I wouldn't be against trading back early on to pick up future picks/early round picks, but later on I think it starts to get kind of redundant. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold I do like the idea of a trade down that gets us future picks.  Would be good to be sitting pretty in next year's draft and, like everyone says, it's going to be difficult to fit everyone on the roster, especially since they already have some young guys with potential.

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit 

He was running up the middle and being tackled by 300 pound DTs and NTs. He can take a hit. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit

Hits accumulate over time and the body breaks down. College hits are not the same either.....18-22 year olds vs. fully grown and overgrown men....

harold
harold

@a57se

Warford was the best rookie lineman and he went in the 3rd.   So it is possible to overlook talent because a player may not be as polished.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @juunit Well, that would make Boyd an upgrade over Bohanon at FB then.

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit@harold 

You could at least then stop worrying about the QB running and getting himself hurt. Boyd has proven he can take the hits. 

a57se
a57se

@harold 

You are correct, a lot can change between now and May but O'linemen tend to rise...look at last years draft!

a57se
a57se

@juunit@harold 

I could see us taking a flyer on boyd as he is similar to Geno and if we are going to tailor the offense around him.....might as well have an option that is similar....

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit I'm predicting it now: Boyd is the next Michael Robinson. 

juunit
juunit

@harold 

Not a chance he'll be there. Although as an FYI, we talked with Boyd for an hour on Tuesday night. Course, that could've just been Rex having a good time with his son's teammate. So, grain of salt. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit 

I said nothing about Smith. But, no. Glennon went 4-9, Smith went 8-8. Glennon lead the least effective offense in the NFL. They were ranked 32nd overall and 32nd in passing YPG. His stats are empty. And it's not like the Bucs have a terrible roster.

We gave up 24.2 points a game. The Bucs gave up 24.3. Literally the exact same. Yet Smith had a much better record.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@johnnyl65@SackDance99@a57seI really do not believe that McCown or Schaub will command much more than an average 2nd QB salary, especially Schaub who had a terrible 2013 season.  Vick is also a possibility and there are others.


Whether the Jets draft a late-round QB or not, they need a vet back up QB and I'm not sold on Garrard for that role.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seNo, I didn't.  I went back to 1980 with both lists...there are just dozens of more 3rd round QBs taken and the overwhelming majority were never NFL starters or decent back ups.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit@SackDance99@johnnyl65@a57seI agree with your assessment of Glennon.  To me Foles and Glennon were developmental projects that in the case of Foles has panned out and in the case of Glennon is just promising.  Wilson was unique because he was unfairly passed over, despite his collegiate success, because of his height...his game was 1st round quality with the risk that he couldn't perform at an elite level because of his height.  Foles and Glennon, however, were rightly considered developmental guys.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se 

you also went back a lot further in time for your list of 2nd round QB picks plus there have been more QB's taken in the 2nd round.

The percentages are slightly higher with 2nd round QB picks, but that is to be expected.

a57se
a57se

@juunit

you don't think he played better than Geno?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seA higher percentage than 3rd rounders, like Boomer Esiason, Randall Cunningham, Drew Brees, Andy Dalton, Kaepernick, Brett Favre, Neil Lomax and Jake Plummer.  The hit percentage is a lot higher because a lot fewer 2nd round QBs are taken.  

If the Jets' draft board has what they think is a 1st round talent QB in the 3rd round, then I'd agree with you.  My issue is that QB is an overdrafted position, so it's exceedingly unlikely that a 1st round talent slides like that (Wilson is the exception because of his height...other than that, most scouts viewed him as very talented).  What you end up getting in the 3rd round is a developmental project.  Some pan out, but so do 5th and 6th round developmental projects.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@johnnyl65@a57se 

Can we stop including Glennon like he's equivalent to Wilson? He didn't effectively lead the offense. He padded his stats with short throws, the Bucs did lots of punting, and Glennon did lots of losing. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@SackDance99 @johnnyl65 @a57se Not interested in the likes of Schaub or Mc Cown two Qb's who will demand high paychecks and give minimal back. Give me potential  like McCoy or Freeman at least they have youth and promise. Wanting McCown is like wanting Flynn over priced for a brief productive period . Successful teams start with a top QB which Geno hasn't yet proven to be I don't care if it's round one or round seven as long as there is potential for that player to be our franchise QB.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

Taking a QB in this years draft does not have to be about bringing in immediate competition for Geno.

It doesn't have to be a 3rd round pick either. I think we are stuck with Geno this year regardless of what we do unless we a draft a guy who comes in and just blows the coaches away regardless of his draft position.

We could draft a QB with promising tools but who needs a lot of work with David Lee.....I have no problem with that either. 

We could also sign a UFA, noone is precluding that by drafting a guy.....

SackDance99
SackDance99

@johnnyl65@SackDance99@a57seI don't understand this comment.  Aren't there other ways to foster competition at the QB position besides wasting a 3rd round pick on a QB that wasn't thought of higly enough to go in the first 2 rounds, where you are more likely to get a franchise QB?


How about signing a UFA for competition?  Matt Schaub (drafted in the 3rd round) and Josh McCown (ditto) will be available.  That's better than hoping that you beat the odds and actually got somebody as good as Schaub or McCown.  And, besides Wilson and Glennon, the overwhelming majority of 3rd round QBs that played as rookies were horrendous and/or never played because they were development projects.


I'm all for real competition, not unicorn competition and getting a productive 3rd round QB is like hunting for unicorns.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se 

How many second round QB's end up as good ones?

According to your logic we shouldn't have taken Geno either.

Like I said, if you like the guy, you draft him.....all the other nonsense is just noise.

With 12 draft picks, it is not a cut and dried draft a QB or another position. we have more than enough picks to take a QB and fill the other positions.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@SackDance99 @a57se It goes against Idzik's mantra  to compete at every position.You play the percentages when you haven't done your homework.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99Play against the percentages all you want, for every Foles or Wilson, there are many more Cody Carlsons or Eric Zeirs.  The Jets already have a young QB, who they just used a 2nd rounder on.  It would be a lot smarter to draft an RB, WR, TE or OL to build out the offense rather than buck the odds that you can find a needle in a haystack.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I could live with us picking Ebron in round 1 because he is such an athletic monster and he's just a huge mismatch. To me Ebron in round 1 and Matthews in round 2 would be interesting.....but any of the other TE's I'd have no interest in with the 18th pick

bradysucks
bradysucks

I agree with Brendan

You do not need to draft a TE in round 1.

See Johnny Mitchell, Dustin Keller, Kyle Brady...

The kid from North Carolina Ebron is an intriguing prospect though....

Brendan
Brendan

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Bent! Help! I need an adult to come yell at John for saying pee! Etc., etc. and so on....


Can we just go back to being wise-asses towards each other like the good 'ol days? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo C'mon, John, you know that's how we are with each other.  


I'm not a fan of your mock draft, I'm sure you'd not be a fan of mine if I put one together. I don't want a 1st round TE, you do, no big deal. 



Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 Definitely, but acting like he wasn't a good college player is misleading. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude Mitchell and Gholston easily impressed at the combine with their freakish athleticism. But having scouts project whether they can use it properly in the NFL is the most important thing.

Gholston didn't have the longer lankier frame that most great DE's have or the natural fluid athletic ability to play OLB.    I had hoped we didn't take him and was curious what Belichick would have done right after us. 

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

or vernon gholston but they both did have some impressive production in college.....gholston lead the nation in Sacks his Sr. year.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan A 4.38 40 and a 42 inch vertical was probably a larger influence when you're talking prospect.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  I would be afraid to draft solely on athleticism in the first round.

I can't get Johnny Mitchell out of my head.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

The interesting thing with the draft is that the most athletic guys tend to go early even if their tape isn't as good. 

You can't coach inate ability and most NFL teams think they can coach up anyone. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude @a57se Davis had 871 yards and 6 TD's, which is very good for a college TE with crap QB's. 


He was drafted on potential AND production. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  Gotcha.    I think it's safe to say Vernon Davis has worked out fine.

And I don't think Stephen Hill was a bad pick in the second round.  It's easy to see the potential which may still be fullfilled to some degree.    

Me personally,  I am less inclined to draft players based on potential in the first round.   I would rather take a sure thing in the first.   After the first round,  potential all the way.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude@a57se 

Because they were both drafted on potential instead of actual production out of college.

In other words, they were both projects.

One working out (somewhat) does not mean the other will or won't but Davis didn't 'arrive' until his 4th year.

SF spent a lot more on Davis then the Jets did on Hill.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude Just trying to get some clarity as to why you would compare Stephen Hill to Vernon Davis,  you know when one is a WR and the other a TE.

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

Hmmmm...not sure what to make of that comment. 

If you tried that with me you'd be missing your best friend.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

You can assume whatever your little heart desires.

Just don't put words into my mouth.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude   Hill had a better rookie year!

Am I to assume from this statement Stephen Hill is better than Vernon Davis ?                                                           Or Hill will develop into something special.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

Davis' first year in the NFL he caught 20 balls for 265 yards and 3 TD's. 

Hill had a better rookie year!

Davis has never had a 1000 yard season either.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo @bklyndude @a57se  Potential with our first pick,  please.   If the only thing I hear about is potential I'm going to scream.   

Our first pick better be somebody who not only has great college tape,  but has the prototypical size and speed necessary to be a difference maker in multiple areas of the game.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold It also took Davis years to become an elite TE, and also Mike Singletary benching him and that whole thing. He was a #6 pick and has made two Pro-Bowls in 8 or 9 years, I don't think that's worth it, imo. Not if you're drafting a guy to be a receiving threat, which is what gets TEs to the Pro Bowl and all that. 

harold
harold

Davis was a borderline 1st round pick before the combine.  You never know where guys will go this early.  If Ebron proves to be a 4.4 guy at his size he may go top ten as well.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  If he is as good as Vernon Davis,  I wouldn't have as much of a problem.  

Are you saying he's as good as Vernon Davis ?