Daily Links: Oh Really?

  • Jets need play-making receivers, tight end [USA Today]
  • Potential trade for the New York Jets first round pick in the draft [The J-E-T Press]
  • NFL free agent rankings: Jets have bigger need for receivers than Giants [NJ]
  • Ticket prices include first increase since ’11 [ESPN NY]
  • Strength of schedule: New York Jets [ESPN NY]
  • Mock Draft [Drafttek]
91 comments
a57se
a57se

Pettine didn't waste anytime cleaning house in Cleveland, did he!

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Will be nice to have Lombardi back on the BS Report though

bklyndude
bklyndude

The circus now officially resides in Cleveland.

Signed, NY media,  Chairman...Rich Cimini

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Banner and Lombardi fired in Cleveland LOL

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

I'm dying to see how Idzik handles FA and the draft this year with pockets filled with picks and money.

I find it odd everyone assumes what he is on last years basis but last year being frugal and conservative was out of need it's not like he had a choice. This year all of the choices are whatever he wan'ts. It will be interesting,I can't wait to see how things shake out. One thing we do know about Idzik is that he's pretty good at not leaking anything and making what the fans and media think nothing but pure opinion.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

The jets need to address their right tackle position in the draft. They need to move on from Howard and pick a younger fresher talent. If Cedric Ogbuhei (the spelling is wrong) declares himself eligible then the jets should go with him. JuWan James is an interesting prospect in the middle rounds because he is fundamentally sound and can play well in the running game and passing game. The jets need a linebacker either to strengthen the special teams or to push Davis out of the starting role.  I think Max Bullough is good pick in the middle rounds. The jets need to draft players in the first and second round who are impact players. Regardless of the position the jets need to make a huge splash in the first round. Trading down means it will take longer to fully evaluate John Idzik as a general manager. 

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Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@jake100  Cumby's a number 2. IMO, we sign Pitta and Cumby, draft a mid rounder and go from there.

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy  Can't wait for him to just blindly hate on the jets now on NFL Network!

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude  Seriously, can we trade Rich, Manish and a reporter to be named later for one of Clevelands headaches? 

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy  So, how much do we think Pettine had to do with this? 


Could it have been a draft thing? Lombardi flicking his bean to JOHNNY FOOTBAW!! while Pettine wanted nothing to do with him? 

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 


Roger Gooddell now gets to publicly support that scumbag criminal Jimmy Haslam. Poor Cleveland. 

levi
levi

@MarshRandy  It will be interesting to see how that team rebuilds itself.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65  He had a choice, he could have chosen to hold more money to roll over into 2014, for example. 


One thing about Seattle that Bent brought up when Idzik was hired was the fact that Seattle cut/signed more people than the Jets, by a lot (something people always complained about with Tanny), and that it was possible Idzik had a similar approach. He's very active, even though he's meticulous.


There are things you can come away with despite his limited funds last year, but I agree it'll be interesting if he can resist the temptation to toss handfuls of cash everywhere. 

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples  

I don't think Max Bullough moves well enough to replace Davis or even Harris. He may end up a two down LB in the NFL......


Bytor
Bytor

@Hanknaples  "The jets need to address their right tackle position in the draft." 


Uh, why?

levi
levi

@Hanknaples  Im curious why you are down on Howard. If theres a weakness on the O line I think most everyone would agree its Winters.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  You're the best, Fonzie. 


Howard is a 27 year old, athletic mountain of a human being who the Jets spent the past three years developing into a legitimate starting RT. 


The way you pick the actual good players on the Jets to replace is amazing. 


Can we talk about Vernon Gholston some more? 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @johnnyl65  No ,he really didn't  have the choice of rolling money forward that was why Tannenbaum was fired and he was hired to get the books in order. One thing about spending money you don't have is that if you don't pay it off it tends to accumulate and it buries you. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor This is the same guy who thinks Vernon Gholston is a better OLB than Quinton Coples RIGHT NOW, don't give it too much thought or your brain will collapse into itself like a dying star. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@levi @Hanknaples

The jets don't have have staple in their running game. Clearly the injuries to Powell, Ivory, and Goodsen last year didn't go unnoticed. Guards in the nfl can be found in the later rounds. They are added to the rest of the line and assist the more athletic and not easy to get that are good linemen in the center and tackles. Just go back and look at Kareem McKenzie. This is a player who overachieved and wanted to get paid more. He helped Curtis Martin become the oldest runningback to win the rushing title in a season.

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Bytor
Bytor

@levi @Hanknaples  And Winters is the starting LG. The only position in play, assuming we resign Howard, is RG and depth.

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se @__fense 

It was on Rotoworld.  Apparently Farmer was interviewing with the Dolphins around the time Pettine was hired

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I think people overrate that a bit, anyway. GM's should be able to work with a good head coach unless he's a completely horrible human being or something. 

levi
levi

@Brendan So with the Browns firing the GM that isnt really fair to the new guy to have to keep Pettine is it? Although Farmer was promoted so he was possibly on board for hiring Pettine anyway.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I'm cool with him sticking around, and Pantale intrigued me last year, too. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Brendan yea I don't remember watching him on NFL net, I'm more referring to the BS Report and Inside the NFL

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy I like his spots on the BS report because he gives you genuine insight, but his regular NFL Network analysis is so biased it's staggering. It's actually a surprise he can speak clearly while balancing Belichick's 'nads in his mouth the entire time. 

a57se
a57se

@johnnyl65 @Brendan 

You mean like the $12.78 Million dollars the Jets WON'T be able to spend this year due to DEAD money for Holmes, Cro and Sanchez after we cut them.........

That is the result of spreading out bonuses over the terms of contracts in order to lower the Cap hit initially. That is the borrowing from Peter to pay Paul salary cap management guide to ruin that Tanny followed.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 I think signing an all-pro OL and getting the last couple of elite seasons out of him, at market value, then cutting him the season before he becomes nearly useless is financially successful. 

jake100
jake100

@johnnyl65 @Brendan  I remember clear as a bell, Mr.T on NFL network saying that he failed Sanchez and the offense. It was a combo of a depleted team catching up and coming to a head,  some very bad contracts, and some overpaid older players as T was trying to hit the home run, but it did not work out. It was not one thing that got him fired it was a combo of poor moves and mismanagement. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @johnnyl65  They walked away from like 7m in that Faneca deal. I don't get what you consider a financially successful deal but my meaning is obviously not the same as yours. 

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 Cromartie wasn't a financial failure, neither was Revis. 


Harris you could argue, but he also played seasons at extreme discounts, so IMO it balances out. 


The Faneca deal? You mean when they cut an aging veteran before he completely crapped out (which did happen the year they cut him) for minimal dead cap space? How is that a negative? 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @johnnyl65  Holmes,Cromartie,Revis,Harris all financial failures talent aside and too often having to walk away from large sums of money like in the Faneca deal. 

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 Oh, "rolling money forward" has an actual salary cap meaning now, hence the confusion. 

Yes, Tanny definitely put his job in jeopardy by pushing guaranteed money into the future over and over, specifically the Sanchez extension. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65 @Brendan  You mis understand me. I'm referring to extending too many contracts ,that's rolling money forward and it is what he was fired for.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 Tanny was hired because he tied his wagon to a crappy QB, not because of rolling money over (which you're 100% allowed to do in the new CBA, so I don't know why you think that's wrong). 

a57se
a57se

@johnnyl65 @Brendan 

If the Cap is $125 million and you only spend $120 million you get to 'roll over' the unspent $5 million to the following year......Tanny did not get fired for this.

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong @a57se@Hanknaples 

He was the defensive Captain of his team and is pretty darn good vs. the run, he is not very athletic though and seems to be a bit of a knucklehead......I wouldn't spend a pick on him.

levi
levi

@Brendan @Bytor  You gotta give em credit though they come up with some bizarre stuff. Talk about thinking outside of the box....

levi
levi

@Brendan You gotta give em credit though they come up with some bizarre stuff. Talk about thinking outside of the box....

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor I still laugh out loud at the thought of them tag-teaming TJB on a laptop, with the guy typing sitting on the other ones lap, and then they high-five and switch. Like that Kayak.com commercial, only weirder. 

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor  Just looking for a little pre-snowstorm levity this morn'. Hank&son should have cameras following them around 24/7. Would make for great reality tv.

levi
levi

@Brendan Fonzie is all about shock value and firing up the masses but I would like him to explain himself on this.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan

Clearly the right side of the offensive line is the strong side of the offensive on the jets because Ferguson is not necessarily a road grader. He has good push and can block well for the quarterback but the jets in the past with  Moore and now Colon both athletic and physical guards the right side is where they can get the most push and blocking. If the jets can't get one side of the line to run behind it is just like not having any side to run behind.  The last few sentences are simply biased towards Howard and I don't have the time to sit and wrestle over a silly comment.

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Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan @Hanknaples

They weren't successful regardless  of how many times they ran behind the the right tackle Brendan. That is my point.  Again in football it all starts in the trenches. If you cannot run the ball then you have put yourself in an uncompromising position. Don't try to tell me how to read the charts. I am looking at the second one on the site. They ran behind Colon and Mangold in between the guards but that wasn't a staple or IT SHOULD NOT BE A STAPLE ON OFFENSE.

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Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples That's all you're using? That's the entire story of Austin Howard: football player. That he has the "28th positional direction YPC" in the league? 


First off, you should learn to read charts better. The Jets ran off "left end" for their highest YPC, but they rushed that way three times ALL SEASON. They ran the most up the middle (which is three positions), but they ran the most behind the RT out of every individual spot on the OL. Would they do that if Howard was as bad as you say? No. They ran behind him and Colon on first down, second and short, etc. 


Howard's strength is keeping his QB clean, but he's not a liability in the running game. The team ran behind him for tough yards and early-down runs, which shows you the faith they had in him. 


Howard is one of the top-15 RT's in football, adjust your commentary accordingly. You overrate every other RT, or just don't have a fair expectation for what a RT in today's NFL is. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan @Hanknaples

Having Howard on the team now just proves how bad it can be if we continue to let him hold the starting spot.

  According to Football Outsiders the jets were ranked 28th in run blocking behind the right tackle and 24th on the right end. The jets were ranked 21st as a group on the offensive line with the majority of the success running the football on the left side and in between the guards. I don't think the jets should wait three more years with Austin Howard to finally find out that he has reached his limit.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

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Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples This is inaccurate. Anthony Clement was terrible. Austin Howard is not terrible. Austin Howard is, at worst, an average RT, which is a position where there aren't even 32 average (or better) players IN THE LEAGUE. Do you realize there are multiple NFL teams that start crappy RT's because, despite it requiring less athleticism than LT, is a hard position to fill? And the Jets have one of the few guys that are worth holding onto. 


Howard has reached his limit? Pardon me? The guy played two seasons on the Jets, when he was 30 and 31 years old (Howard is 26), and they're the same? That makes literally no sense, Fonzie. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan @Hanknaples

  The impact that they have is the same. They are both big tackles and both played the same position. Neither of the them could  make a definite impact in the running game. Clement was a plug in player who couldn't develop after playing with good line in 2006 (Kendall, Ferguson, Moore, and Mangold). Howard hasn't stood out with a combined passable offensive  line with Moore, Mangold, Ferguson,  and Slauson, Ducasse, Winters plugging in the left guard spot. They have both reached their limits. If Howard couldn't make an impact the last two years then he probably won't make a definitive impact again.

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Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples You shouldn't compare Howard to Anthony Clement, who had the footwork of Frankenstein going through rigamortis. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@levi @Hanknaples

The jets let him go and it wasn't until 2008 when the jets were able to find a potential replacement in Damien Woody. The jets could not run consistenly behind Howard last year. The jets were not able to run a play behind Howard that would get the attention of the opposing defense. Size doesn't always determine how good a player is. Anthony Clement was a big bruising right tackle but after two seasons he was released by the jets. I don't think the jets should sit there and feel complacent that they have a right tackle in Austin Howard.

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