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160 comments
maynard
maynard

Think you guys are missing the point here about the Geno article. Name one starting Qb whoGeno based on everything he's done to date, should start over. That's why he's ranked last

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

Only 1443 days until the next World Cup!  I've got the fever so bad!  I don't even like NFL football anymore.  It's barbaric and requires no stamina.  Futbol for life!

SackDance99
SackDance99

I like how Sando's article, which only polled a select minority of undisclosed "experts", has morphed into how all experts think Geno is the worst QB in the NFL.  Well, how about this assessment:


Overall, I saw him grow a lot during the season. I think he was underprepared for the NFL coming out of college and made some careless mistakes with the football in the early going. He had to learn how to better read opposing defenses -- which one can really only do by way of experience. But I think he cleaned things up as the year wore on and seemed to play with enthusiasm even into the final weeks of the season. He also showed an encouraging ability to be a threat to run. I talked to several people in the Jets organization who think the guy made giant strides, and I have to agree.

Well, I guess Gil Brandt isn't an expert.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330905/article/geno-smith-will-show-he-is-new-york-jets-answer-at-quarterback

It is impossible to predict how rookie QBs will turn out, but I wonder if the same folks thought Eli Manning was the worst starting QB in the NFL after his rookie record.  IMO, there was no comparison between Geno's rookie season and Eli's; Geno was much better.  Eli took a .500 team under Kurt Warner and turned it into a 1-6 also-ran.  He was largely clueless until his final 2 home games, which showed promise.  Geno was rushed into service, after an injury-marred training camp, and led a team that was reputed to be the worst team in the NFL to an 8-8 record.  He should get a lot more credit for his .500 season.

From Nawrocki's ridiculous screed to Sando's bogus "expert" article, Geno just cannot get a break from the national football press.  It's pretty amazing considering he's, for the most part, a pretty quiet guy with a great work ethic.

tsjc68
tsjc68

If anyone actually does it, a franchise with a need at the position that expects to pick low in the first round next year (e.g., the Packers) and/or an NFC South team whose Hall of Fame tight end has retired (i.e., the Falcons) would make sense. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/02/would-another-team-make-a-run-at-graham/


Is Crazy Tom Dimitroff crazy enough to think about doing this?  Betting on the troika of Julio/Roddy/Graham and Matt Ryan to just be so dominant that it's worth giving (what you hope to be) low first rounders in 2015 AND 2016 to a hated divisional rival?


It's super-risky and probably a really bad idea... but that doesn't mean he wouldn't do it.


(Yes, Florio also suggested the Packers.  No, there's no chance in a million years that the Packers, who hoard draft picks like a squirrel preparing for winter, would ever give the Saints two draft picks for an expensive Jimmy Graham.  None.)

The people who think Geno's the worst QB in the NFL have obviously never seen anybody play that position for Oakland for the last 10 years

a57se
a57se

@maynard 

That and the quotes about how he does have some promise and should not be thrown to the curb.....but fair assessments of certain Jets players is always met with ridicule here.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@__fense And to think i wanted this guy.. Goes to show you how no prospect is a sure thing

joemustgo
joemustgo

@Ceifus Hornswoggle It will be at least another generation (and maybe never) before the US can compete at this level. Until our kids get packed off to soccer academies at 12 or 13 and recruited by top European teams at 15 or 16 we will never have a deep enough talent pool to get past the quarters.

harvlis
harvlis

Good post. I am not sold on Geno but, he was not in a good position. This year will tell.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 

The GM's, personnel men and coaches that the poll talked to should all cut Geno slack like Jets fans do!

a57se
a57se

That isn't saying very much...though Carson Palmer IS better than Geno at this point in time.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@joemustgo @Ceifus Hornswoggle Two words: immigration reform!  Messi, look at that Argentine economy, Miami is like any great Latin American city and Florida had no taxes and a great homestead exemption!  I propose a new "World Cup Visa" and I know Obama can sign an executive order for that one!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99 It's really not about "slack"; it's about putting his rookie season in context.  Comparing him to veteran NFL starters is ridiculous.  If a baseball GM were evaluating a rookie pitcher, wouldn't the pitcher's last 1/4 of the season be the most important one for predicting future success?  To stretch the analogy out, early success when hitters haven't seen him, then struggles after he goes a second time around the league are usually expected.  But, how he rebounds and adjusts for that final quarter would be the most important.  And, we lived through Eli and all I heard at the time was the progress he made in his penultimate home loss to the Steelers and final home game and only win against the Cowboys.  Any other QB, athlete or even 2-year old racehorse that I've ever seen evaluated is usually judged most critically on how he finishes his rookie campaign.  But, for whatever reason, Geno has been evaluated differently.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @SackDance99

I know you're saying this sarcastically, but you're actually honestly right, they should cut Geno slack.  He wasn't good in totality, but he didn't play as horribly as he's being portrayed and he showed improvement as the year went on.


And the needle is pointing up.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @Dr. Jonathan Reefer

Fireman Ed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the hell a "License Plate Guy" is supposed to be

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

There have been plenty of articles comparing him to other rookies and he came out on the short end of those as well. Jets fans poo-pooed those articles as well...

bklyndude
bklyndude

@tsjc68 @a57se @SackDance99

And the Jets should have a decent veteran QB on the squad in case he doesn't continue to develop.

Oh,  check that,  they did sign a veteran QB in the event things go awry like the middle of last year.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples @a57se 

Well, all those REAL football experts are fools...don't you know that yet Hank?

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Hanknaples @a57se 

Most of the guys on the list have 5+ years of NFL experience (perhaps not starting, but at least on the sideline).  Palmer, Brady, Manning, Brees, Manning, etc, have been in the league 10+ years.  Not really a fair comparison, though not surprising that the youngest guy on the list would be at the bottom.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @SackDance99 Didn't you boycott PFF because you disagreed with an article they wrote about a Jets rookie?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

Captain Jet is yet another Jets superfan I've met personally at the draft.


HE'S EVEN MORE WEIRD AND CREEPY LOOKING UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL THAN YOU FEARED.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @Ceifus Hornswoggle

Ron: Huh. You’re a real hooker and I’m gonna slap you in public.
Vernonica: (laugh) You have way too much pubic hair.
Ron: Mmm. Actually that’s a point of pride. I’m very proud of my mane of pubic hair, so thank you.

lindro88
lindro88

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @Hanknaples @a57se  Even if you separate the list and only include QB's in the league 3 years or less he would rate at the bottom.  Any starting QB's in the league  you would take Geno ahead of? 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se

You mean the rookie I thought should have been DROY and ended up being just that and PFF was wrong about?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @tsjc68 @Dr. Jonathan Reefer @Brendan

The third panel (where they're running from the tackling dummy)  should have instead been Sanchez in his underpants dancing with two chicanas while Tebow looks on disapprovingly.

__fense
__fense

@tsjc68 @Brendan Oh, god, I met that guy at a minicamp practice once, while Fireman Ed was still around. I saw him from a distance, turned to my friend and said "That guy wishes he's Fireman Ed, and is upset that he isn't". Sure enough, at one point I was standing next to him, and out of the blue he starts talking at me about how he goes to all of the open practices and Fireman Ed doesn't and that makes him a better fan.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 He looks like his smell packs quite the punch. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @a57se

April 19, 2013:

It didn’t guarantee that Ivory will remain with the Saints for the 2013 season, however. The Jets hosted Ivory for a visit last week and they were believed to be interested in trading a late-round pick to New Orleans in exchange for the veteran running back.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/19/jets-reportedly-make-trade-offer-for-chris-ivory/

---------------

May 3, 2014:

Chris Ivory is a five year veteran and was signed as an un-drafted free agent by the New Orleans Saints. 

http://nysportshub.com/2014/05/03/the-lethal-running-back-core-of-the-jets/


Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@lindro88 @Ceifus Hornswoggle @Hanknaples @a57se 

Geno was a rookie with terrible receivers.  He was thrown into a fire and did the best he could, which wasn't 100% awful, maybe 75% awful.  He survived the season and ended on a high note.  Wouldn't it be wiser to compare him to other rookie quarterbacks who started their first year, taking into consideration the talent level of the supporting cast?

Let's just take a deep breath, see how he does this year, and then make some serious judgments.  It's not like another 8-8 season is the worst thing in the world.  Hopefully we've got many decades of Jets football to watch, unless the NFL collapses on itself.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

Sure, Hank.


I've been in Jet Magazine, I wore a kente cloth (in violation of school policy) when I gave the valediction at my HS graduation, I've served on a mayoral commission on developing multicultural education standards, my mother was the first black female president in the history of her professional association, I worked as a constituent liaison in a congressional district that voted 98% for Obama , I have a picture with Lennox Hinds on my mantlepiece, I have a basketball signed by one of the five guys from Don Haskins's 1966 Texas Western squad next to it, I didn't know exactly how to pronounce "Ikemefuna Enemkpali" so I asked the dozen Nigerians that I speak to on a regular basis, but I need to learn my black history.  


Whatever you say, Hank.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@tsjc68 

And you still don't know that the Mississippi Delta has NOTHING to do with Coples' N C Delta  PSI and EVERYTHING to do with being the Home  of  The Blues !!!

Brendan
Brendan

@lindro88 QB's I'd take Geno over on a long-term basis: 


Fitzpatrick, Henne/Bortles, Hoyer/Manziel, Cassell, Schaub McCown, without question. Depending on Geno's Y2, that list could grow considerably. 


Tannehill, Locker, EJ are TBD (although I'm close to writing Locker off entirely). Bradford was playing well pre-injury, so I will leave him off for now. 

lindro88
lindro88

@Brendan @lindro88  EJ, Tanny, Hoyer/Manziel, Henne/Bortles, Schaub/Carr, Cassel, Mcnown, Bradford. Locker

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @tsjc68 @Hanknaples

I mean, Lennox Hinds.


Go look him up, if you don't already know who he is.


Oh yeah, and I also dated Ricky Davis's ex-girlfriend AND did poetry slams with a guy who was on Oz AND I personally know Thunder Collins. NOW THAT'S BLACK, HOMIE.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Everyone there minus Cousins is obviously ahead of Geno. No one would say otherwise. 

lindro88
lindro88

@Brendan @lindro88  I hope you are right, but I do think Vick provided he doesn't get hurt of course, will be starting the season as our QB.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I like how Cousins was listed before the player he currently backs up. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@lindro88 @Brendan

I do think Vick provided he doesn't get hurt of course, will be starting the season as our QB.


I honestly don't know why people continue to think this.


Everyone involved (Vick, Geno, Marty, Rex) has made statements indicating both that Geno is the presumptive starter (even though the competition is not fully closed) AND have also made statements that "Spring/Summer of 2014 Geno" looks much, much, much better than "Fall of 2013" Geno.


The team is acting as if Geno is just playing better than Michael Vick at the moment, because they feel he's taken a leap forward (which would not at all be a surprising development, since plenty of NFL rookies take a leap forward after their first season and become much better players as sophomores when the game slows down and they think less and start anticipating more).


Did Geno suck last year?  On balance, yes.  But it looks like he's much less sucky going into year two (both from what we saw down the stretch and from what the team is saying about him this offseason).


We have more logical reason to expect Geno to be the Week 1 starter and to have earned that right than to expect that he's still craptacularly awful and Vick will start by default.

Brendan
Brendan

@lindro88 It's set up for Geno to win the job. If Geno falters, then Vick is ready to step right in, but Geno's looked very good this offseason, supposedly. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan @lindro88

Unless Geno regresses in Cortland, he'll get the standard "QB#1" preseason game snap breakdown (the first few series in Game 1 and 2, most of Game 3, and little to none of Game 4) while Vick gets a few series in each contest.


I actually expect the majority of all four second halves to be heavy doses of Matt Simms and Tajh Boyd in some order.

Brendan
Brendan

@Ceifus Hornswoggle Um, I think Geno gets the Week 1 reps with the first team. Unless he pulls an Aaron Brooks and throws a pass behind him to no one in particular and gets it returned for a TD or something, I think he'll continue to get those reps. 


But, that could also change if Geno's derping in the weeks leading up to the first game. But I think if he plays reasonably well in practice, and then reasonably well in the game, he'll get the bulk of 1st team reps in the games, before a vacation in Week 4. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples I didn't ask him to list those with 3 years experience. I asked him to list which ones he wanted me to pick against Geno, which he did. 

lindro88
lindro88

@Brendan @lindro88  Hope you are right.  I'm sure Geno is feeling way more confident and comfortable after having played a full season.  Hopefully it all comes together for him.

Brendan
Brendan

@lindro88 People have commented he's much more assertive and sure of himself, and as we all know that's vitally important for any leader, but especially a QB. He has the skill, so if how fast he reads a defense improves and he becomes more decisive he should make a big jump this year. 

Brendan
Brendan

@lindro88 Also a good point. Improved talent around him and while he improves his intangibles is a recipe for success, now he just has to show he's made those improvements, or at least started to.