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117 comments
Pat d
Pat d

Most likely Lebron signs a one year deal.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

Bosh goes to Houston, that minute they're better than Miami with LeBron.

tsjc68
tsjc68

"I've said all along I think LeBron should go back to Cleveland," said Reggie Miller during a radio interview on AM 570 in Los Angeles. "It would be a great story. I don't think he should have left in the first place. I think it would be great for the city of Cleveland and I hope he does it..


"The rosters are comparable," said Miller. "But I don't think it has anything to do with the roster. I think it is more to do with LeBron realizing 'Hey, I didn't handle the situation correctly when I left the first time.' LeBron is a great player and a great man, and he realizes no matter how many championships he wins in Miami, it won't be the same as Cleveland."


"I've been saying it for the last year," said Miller. "I'd be very disappointed if he doesn't go back."


-July 9th, 2014


That's an interesting take there, Reggie.


[Ed. note: I have changed a key detail in the above quote, for pointed purposes.]


Brendan
Brendan

Serious question (non-football related): 


Now that Tanaka is shelved, do the Mets have a better team than the Yankees? 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

Does anyone remember why exactly John Conner didn't work out?  Seemed like they loved him in the offseason, but were disappointed once the season started.

jaygo
jaygo

@tsjc68


Cleveland makes a lot of sense for him.  Less bright lights, less expectations, have more time to count his money.

harold
harold

@tsjc68

I think the Cavs clearly have the better long term outlook.  For next year they are comparable but long term, it's the Cavs in a landslide.

I agree he should go back to Cleveland and I hope he does!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

For the record, Hank, your comment was stuck in moderation because it included this guy's name:


http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=204766110&


I know this because every time I typed his name, my comments got stuck in moderation too.


Unlike you, though, I didn't stupidly blame Bent in a conspiratorial plot of insanity.  I just waited patiently, and Bent (or Andrew Vazzano) sorted it out.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples I can't put posts on moderation.  You know this.


However, I can take posts on moderation and approve them, which I've done with your comment.


YOU'RE WELCOME!

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Oh hey, Hank is acting like Bent flags posts before they're posted again. At least that's not an old and tired shtick. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo Good read, I like reading things from the opposing team's perspective. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo "This game is, quite possibly, the second most dominated the Saints were throughout the entire 2013 season, second only to the first matchup against Seattle.  The 26-20 score doesn't adequately indicate the manhandling nature of the physical style that the Jets employed."



FULLY BONED!

Bent
Bent moderator

@Ceifus Hornswoggle He was just too inconsistent.  For every good block he threw he seemed to miss two.  Even when he did make a good initial block he let his man get off it to make the stop a lot of the time.  He seemed to have overcome these issues last year with Cincy, but they hardly ever use a FB so it's no surprise he ended up with the Giants and had his best season.


Not a great fit for a west coast offense either.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Ceifus Hornswoggle

He played poorly at first (to the point where Lex Hilliard was actually outplaying him, as impossible as that seems) and he was nicked up.


We cut him with an injury settlement, probably with an eye on stashing him and signing him back to a futures contract later, but he was scooped up.

Brendan
Brendan

@Ceifus Hornswoggle  Inconsistency, iirc. He goes for the big hit every play, which leads to him whiffing entirely a lot more than you should. Instead of consistent play at a certain level, he'd either decapitate someone or let his man get by without much issue. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@jaygo @tsjc68 

I think this would be a no-brainer if Gilbert would have kept his mouth shut.



"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."



tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @tsjc68

Plus, the Cleveland beaches are spectacular, the weather is phenomenal all-year-long, and the nightlife is just top-shelf.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob @tsjc68 What about the conspiracy theory that the Cavs had planned for James to originally leave for Miami all along and that they would retool in his absence?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold

The key detail I changed?


That wasn't actually Reggie Miller, Lifelong Pacer who said that... it was Charles Barkley.


Yes, Charles "I'm going to pout my way out of Philadelphia and force a trade to Phoenix" Barkley, and Charles "Phoenix is no longer good enough, send me to Houston" Barkley.  


Charles Barkley just chastised LeBron James for not "dancing with the one that brought ya".  That just happened.


http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/07/lebron_james_to_cleveland_charles_barkley_says_it_should_happen.html

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer @jaygo 

The best part of the comments was the nickname for Ivory.....Tusk.  Why havent I heard of that.  It might niot be the best nickname out there, but it is at least original.

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer I say yes. 


The Mets already have a much better run differential and are currently like 5 games worse than the Yankees in record. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Why do you feel bad for him? He's on another NFL roster. And given your hate of the Jets, he should be happier being on another roster, no? 

harold
harold

@tsjc68

That is what private jets are for.

harold
harold

@tsjc68

Charles definitely has to be careful in this situation.

However I still agree that Lebron should not have left.  But now he has no excuse not to go back with the young roster they put together so far.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jsadolph

Bent and I were calling him that all year long last year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent To be honest, the Mets do seem to be turning a corner.


Wheeler is pretty inconsistent, but still promising and Gee and deGrom are much better than you'd expect, Niese is a solid hand and DiceK is a nice option for a 5th starter.


With Harvey returning next year, that's the makings of a potentially really good rotation even if they trade Colon.


d'Arnaud and Tejada haven't been that bad offensively recently, which probably won't last but at least these last few wins show what a difference consistent competent play from those two spots would make.


They could easily be 5-10 games better next year, which puts them right in the mix for a playoff spot.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent I'm not actually a decepticon, you know that right?

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent @bob @tsjc68 No, but the conspiracy suggests Gilbert was in on the plan and knew that (a) they were going nowhere with him and that roster and (b) it would supposedly make a great redemption story if he returned home to lead a retooled roster to some titles.


You can even add a layer to the conspiracy by saying that the NBA fixed the lottery all those times Cleveland won it, in an effort to set up this very situation for their golden boy.


I'm not saying the conspiracy theory is correct, I actually think it's a bit stupid, just sharing what the conspiracy theorists are saying.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Only a decepticon would pick the Yankees. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer The Mets had a much better run differential even when they had a stretch where they lost 5/6, it's not a recent thing. 


You're not answering my question, either. Right now who is better? Not when the Yankees make moves that you assume they'll make (they don't exactly have a ton of attractive options to trade at the moment, from what I've read). 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples Conner had a great season last year, Hank, so Rex's evaluation skills were on point here.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples "Haven't you noticed that every time Rexy's blathers over a player they usually don't last very long with the Jets"


Great point. Just look at how quickly the team has jettisoned guys like Mangold, Harris, Wilkerson, Kerley, Ivory, Brick....

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer For the record, I don't think they're good. I just think the Yankees are also not-good and without Tanaka they're straight up bad. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Disagreeing with someone =/= bashing or insulting someone, Hank. 



Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples It's not MY theory.


And I already said it's stupid - why do you always argue even when you're agreeing?

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples But he's stupid enough to post an angry, emotional catty letter ripping LeBron, written in Comic Sans and posted on his actual team's website, so how smart can he be? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer "7 games back and 7 games under .500 with a +6 run differential, means the managing stinks."


I think it means the bullpen stinks more than anything. I don't know if it's still the case, but at one point recently they had the most blown leads in the league. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Rex didn't let anyone go. Again, he is not responsible for any personnel moves, especially the bad ones that you just want to peg on him. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent


He graded out as the third best blocking FB in the league, Hank.


I've already explained that he's not a good fit for Marty's offense.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

Hank: Haven't you noticed that every time Rexy blathers over a player they usually don't last very long with the Jets?

Brendan: Great point. Just look at how quickly the team has jettisoned guys like Mangold, Harris, Wilkerson, Kerley, Ivory, Brick.

Hank: First of all he did not draft Mangold nor Harris he could NOT have blather over "being right on the pick".


So, first, it was "When Rex talks up a guy, it means he's not long for the team".  Then, when presented with counterexamples, you change your premise to "When Rex talks up a guy THAT HE DRAFTED it means he's not long for the team."


Ladies and Gentlemen, the Hank Moveable Goalpost Special™.


No true scotsman.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples He has showered both Mangold and Harris with tons of praise. Just because you now want to add the stipulation that they weren't drafted by Rex doesn't change the fact that your point is nonsensical. Rex has showered praise on more players that have stuck with the team than haven't. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples No. 


Fair Disagreement:


"I think Damon Harrison is the best DL on the team!" 

"I disagree, I think it's Wilkerson." 


Trolling:


"Revis was only as good as he was because of Damon Harrison" (which was stated by your son). 


or


For another example, your entire rant about John Conner in this thread. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer "(until about 2 weeks ago, when TDA got brought back up)"


This made me actually laugh. When your catcher, who was sent to the minors because he was swinging like his bat had a hole in it, comes back up and hits 3 HR's (doubling his output up until that point), that's considered a power surge. Sigh. At least Granderson looks like he'll get close to 30. 


And I wouldn't say the bullpen has been lights out, but it's certainly been less awful. They have their crappy moments, but for the most part once they promoted the young arms they've been a lot better. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Spoken like a true idiot. Good job, Hank, giving people even more reason to ignore you. 

MoSacks MoSnacks
MoSacks MoSnacks

I'm with Brendan on you not understanding simple sentences. Bent stated that he ranked as the "3rd best blocking fb". Not only did you purposely misquote him, but conner having been ranked 3rd automatically means that there couldn't have only been 2 blocking fbs, as you implied the rankings consisted of. Sheesh

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples He was the 3rd ranked FB in the league on PFF and he had the 3rd highest run block grade for the position. He had zero carries and he had six catches for 32 yards. 


And any fan worth his salt knows that different offenses ask fullbacks to do different things. A fullback in Marty's offense needs to catch the ball, yes. A fullback in the Giants'offense doesn't, since they're part-timers that mostly lead block and go out as safety valve receivers on play action plays on early downs. The majority of passing plays they take their FB out of the game. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Thank you for confirming you are a crazy person who can't comprehend the simplest of sentences. 



Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer  Less range...than Flores? Haha no he doesn't, but I agree Tejada isn't a good defensive SS, the guy bobbles more balls than Stephen Hill (oh!). 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Dr. Jonathan Reefer Wally Backman seems to be able to turn our struggling players into competent ones...maybe they should bring him up and get him to work with the main roster?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @Hanknaples

Everyone: John Conner is one of the best blocking FBs in football.

Hank: Sure, maybe, but can he catch the ball?  Every good blocking FB has to be able to catch the ball.

Everyone: ...



... aaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I've been on the Wally Train for years. 



"Let's go get a beer, Doc" still makes me laugh every time. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples You insulted me when you called me an apologist, Hank. Stop being a baby, if you can't take it then don't dish it out. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples You called me an apologist, which is an insult. You said that before I said you were being idiotic. Timestamps, Hank. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer @Hanknaples @Brendan

Hank's just still mad that nobody is giving me any greif for going 0-for-17 in the "Who will the Jets draft" prediction contest, despite the fact that I never actually submitted an entry into the contest at all.


He's mad that people aren't more upset at me for doing poorly in that thing that I didn't actually do.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @Brendan

So, in summation:


A.) Me calling you an apologist is not an insult

B.) Me calling you an apologist means I'm comparing you to a criminal


Hank, your ability to contradict yourself inside the span of 10 words is amazing.  You are truly a work of art.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples You not being a Jets fan and posting on a Jets blog everyday is more criminal than anything I've ever posted on here. 


And calling someone an apologist is an insult. If you're claiming ignorance, fine, but you now know it's an insult so stop using it, please. 

Bytor
Bytor

Hank your comments insult everyone's intelligence.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @tsjc68 @Dr. Jonathan Reefer @Brendan

You have, on multiple occasions, tried to make fun of me by saying that made a list of 17 predictions of names of guys the Jets were going to draft and missed on all 17.


I never made any such list, Hank.  I did not submit an entry to the prediction contest.  You continue to make claims of actions that I took that I did not take.


It is impossible for me to have gone 0-17 when I never submitted an entry to the contest in question.


Stop being dumb, Hank.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

Shorter Hank: Brendan, I think you're an idiotic low-class criminal.


No offense.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

I'm sure both countries are eagerly waiting for you to renounce citizenship and pick the other one.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples http://fyre.it/Vo3QST.4


"Anyway you at least got (I think) one right out of twelve)....your Genius Twin got NONE out of SEVENTEENpicks...LMFAO...and he swears he knows EVERYTHING !!!"


Consider it dug. 

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 No, no. tsjc and I are biracial twins and Bent is actually me in disguise. Kinda like Hank/Fonzie are the same person, except we are (I am) smart enough to use different accounts. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @tsjc68 @Dr. Jonathan Reefer @Brendan


1. That wasn't a competition entry, just a list of guys he liked

2. The Jets drafted Dakota Dozier so he did get one right.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

I never made a list of guys I thought we'd draft with our 12 picks.


Five of those 17 guys I liked are guys we would have to have used our first rounder on, so it's utterly impossible to look at that list of 17 guys I like an realistically think "He thinks we're going to draft all these guys".


Several of those names I listed are guys I was targeting as UDFAs, as in "I don't expect this guy to be drafted at all, but I'd love to sign him in Round 8".


The comment in question was in response to Marcus throwing out four names of his "My guys" list, and those four names were Mike Evans, Kyle Van Noy, Teddy Bridgewater, and Jared Abbrederis.  Both Marcus and I fully expected Bridgewater, Evans, and KVN to be off the board within the first 40 picks (and they were), thus Marcus also was not opening the discussion by predicting "I think we'll draft these four guys".


Marcus then followed up that comment with the quote:


Yeah, these aren't so much players that I want us to take (Though I suppose I do want all of them on my team) as much as they are players who I think will exceed expectations/I like as prospects..


That was the context in which Marcus, myself, a57se, and others offered our "My guys" list.  Not a list of guys we expect to draft, just a list of guys we like in the draft class.


Shutup, Hank. 


Just like your "Mississippi Delta blues" crap, you have no earthly clue what you're talking about here and are trying to butt into a conversation that didn't include you by jumping to conclusions about what was being said and failing at those conclusions.