Daily Links: Well What Do You All Think?

  • John Idzik has big decision to make on Rex Ryan [Newsday]
  • Colon: Firing Ryan would hurt franchise [ESPN NY]
  • Rex Ryan’s press conference became an interrogation about his job status [NJ]
  • Kenrick Ellis quietly emerging as elite interior defensive lineman [Metro]
  • The Future Is Bright But Should Rex Ryan Be Part Of It? [Turn On The Jets]
  • Cromartie: ‘We Don’t Want To Go 6 and 10 Again’ [NY Jets]



63 comments
steel_nyc
steel_nyc

If we want a competitive team?


Ryan needs to go.  Rex is at the heart of the failure.


Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Let us finally stop clinging to a failure due to image and personality.  The overtly paid-overtly hyped Defensive Coordinator cannot manage, and needs to go.  The failure in leadership is vivid.

metjetnet
metjetnet

This is easy. Rex stays. 

When he had players, he won. Rex hasn't had an NFL team to coach since 2010. These Pop Warner rosters Tanny & Idzik have given him have been a joke. Tanny started to get fancy with the roster following the '10 season, thinking he was smart & could tap dance away from big contracts & could replace some players & get over the hump to the Super Bowl. He made the same fatal mistake Frank Cashen made after the '86 Mets winner, by misjudging the negative impact that moving out key players would have on his team. Stat sheets don't always show you who's crucial to your team. Shonn Greene for Thomas Jones? Seriously? How'd that work out, Tanny, both on the field AND in the clubhouse? Jones was also surrogate dad to your most important player in the locker room. Sanchez has been lost every since TJ left. Losing Faneca, or Woody? Smart money says at least have them on your roster to work the new guys in & provide cover if they fail, before the older guys retire. But, no, out they go. So, the new guys are exposed (Hello, Vlad) & there's no margin for error. Plus, none of the replacement players had anywhere near the upside to match the historic core level of work in their careers that the replaced provided.


Ergo: Woody/John: GIVE REX A DAMNED TEAM!


NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

Focus on the defensive backfield and pass catchers, get a vet QB to compete. Maybe a LB. The rest works itself out. Keep Rex & Marty unless you want another 3 years of rebuilding.

marshrandy
marshrandy

If I were to put money on it, I'd bet on Rex being gone

Bytor
Bytor

I'd be inclined to keep Rex, although I wouldn't be surprised if he's shown the door. Would that mean Marty goes too? Then we're dealing with the fourth offensive coordinator and system in four years. Yeesh, that's tough to think about. Get Winters a personal strength guy, draft a studly wr and te, sign a mid-level fa qb, get Goodson healthy, maybe sign a Maclin and poof the offense is decent and for all our sakes...watchable.

ww85
ww85

We can blame Rex for being instrumental in picking Sanchez, neglecting the offense for years. But when you consider that he's been able to win with pretty much the worst offense in the league, it's pretty amazing. I think Rex realizes the mistakes he made & is improving. He needs to return to the NY Jets.

BILLY
BILLY

Keep Rex. 


He's done an admirable job of working around Idzik's crappy draft choices. 

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Off topic: Michael Thomas (UDFA off 49er Practice Squad) made a bigger impact on his team in one game, Miami vs Pats, then Milliner (1st Rounder  9th OVERALL) has had for the Jets. Of course, by "bigger impact" I mean a positive impact; Milliner wins the competition if we're talking negative impact.


What a lousy year. If it weren't for Richardson (who's great), Jets draftnicks would be jumping off the balcony retroactively.

kniff
kniff

Lets keep Rex, Marty, Front Seven, RB core and Folk, bolster our O line and get a monster TE

Our WR core, Secondary, Scouting Dept., and even our QB group are in extreme need of an overhaul!!

marshrandy
marshrandy

For me, I say keep Rex if we can somehow sign a capable veteran QB, otherwise I want an offensive minded HC. It's not like the defense would disintegrate without Rex, there are plenty of capable defensive DCs out there to be had, plus with a defensive line like this you just line them up and they'll make plays   

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

When Rex came here he was determined to win and become the best HC in the world, but he has mellowed a lot. Somewhere along the line the fire has gone out and although he still works hard and says the right things, the discipline he seemed to have to achieve his winning goals has given way to excuse making for playing guys out of loyalty. So even though I don't want to start over with a new coach and believe the staff is a very good one, the question is can Woody - Idzik reclaim the old Rex?


For example, Rex has been atrocious at motivating his team after the Bye for the last three seasons. Coming off a mid-season vacation / breather / chance to heal a HC's job is to fire the team up and focus them on the stretch drive. The last thing anyone who's been off the job for a breather in a highly competitive environment is to be distracted by a team building exercise. We all know where our head is at after a few days off and that it takes a few days to get back in the swing of things, but Rex seems to lack this management skill. This could also be related to why the Jets are notoriously slow starters and rarely do anything (much less score) with the first few series of even the first half.


I don't know who to blame for the "Season of Geno," Rex or Idzik, but it's now obvious that this season was being written off to the training of a 2nd round draft pick (in weak QB draft class)  no matter how good or bad the year is. Management is probably pretty darn happy and surprised that between Folk and opportune calls we managed to get 6 wins.


Bottom line: Woody- Idzik have to sit Rex down, read him the riot act & tell him camp cozy is over and, boot camp better start. If not, Rex may be replaced by Cowher who Woody was reportedly sitting next to at a Victoria's Secret event.

joemustgo
joemustgo

Keep Rex. I think there are fewer than a half dozen elite HCs in the NFL, whose teams consistently maximize and even transcend their talent, and probably an equal number who are hopelessly outmatched. I don't think Rex is either, so unless there's some can't-miss rising star to replace him with, I'd rather stay the course and continue building on what we have.

bob
bob

This was supposed to be a rebuilding year anyway now the upsetting issue is we didn't make the playoffs..So therefor who's to blame? Getting out from underneath some bad contracts. Tannenbaum I guess. However didn't most experts think that the Jets where playing a lot better than what people expected... So after the season is over ....Just dont know how that gonna go.


I wouldn't be upset at all having Rex and Marty back.

I also know that when Mr. Johnson and if that story holds any merit is indeed unhappy.Yikes

psi1
psi1

Rex needs to be replaced. While watching the Lions-Ravens last night I was thinking of the difference between those two teams. The talent level is comparable, but the Ravens have a winning culture. New players are indoctrinated into it regardless of who leaves. It's an organizational culture. The Lions do not. You could see it in the body language (and mental language) of their players as the played. You could see it in the stands. 


The NFL is made up of teams on both sides of that divide. On one side you have teams like the Giants, Broncos, Patriots, Colts, Steelers and lately the 49ers and Seahawks. On the other side you have teams like the Bills, Chargers, Cowboys, Jaguars and our Jets. 


Rex has had 5 years to help change that culture. He has not. I do not believe he has the temperament to do so. A new HC is needed to have a chance at doing so…if Idzik selects wisely. John Schneider did it when he hired Pete Carroll. I believe Arizona did it when it hired Bruce Arians. I think Cleveland is also headed in that direction. Rex is a good DC. He is not a HC.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@metjetnet  Rex Ryan is culpable for the players on this team.  He faired okay inheriting a sound team from the prior regime, with a run game.  But Ryan was the talent authority for four years with TANNY.  He is responsible for trying to make Sanchez the franchise.  This was Ryan's desire, and he clung to Sanchez after it was clear the decision was a bad one.  


Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Time to go.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@NYCPEinGermany : We are in the midst of rebuilding now - 3 straight dysfunctional years due to Rex Ryan and his terrible decisions including bad talent moves.  He was the talent authority with Tanny the numbers cruncher.  Ryan gave us Sanchez as the franchise.  Ryan cannot coach a team as a whole.  He cannot develop a sound system to grow talent and a disciplined Team.  He is responsible for the failure, decline, over the past 5 years.

marshrandy
marshrandy

@NYCPEinGermany Chargers, Chiefs, Eagles all playoff or potential playoff teams with new HC. We got to the playoffs Rex's first year. Hiring a new coach doesn't mean rebuild

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@ww85 : Agreed with your first two comments.  But we aren't winning.  We are losing.  Now Ryan has a losing record as JETS HC.  WE have had one of the worst offense in the league for 5 years.  If we keep Ryan we will continue to have one of the worst offenses in the NFL.  Doesn't matter what Offensive Coordinator, or QB, Ryan cannot develop a sound system to build a balanced team with the appropriate focus or discipline.  

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@BILLY  : Ryan was responsible for the crappy talent choices the first 4 years with Tanny being the numbers cruncher.  Ryan gave us Sanchez as the franchise QB, and clung to him even after it was revealed to be a dreadful decision.  Rex Ryan is culpable for the players on this team.  He faired okay inheriting a sound team from the prior regime, with a run game. 


The real problem remains, Rex Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Time to go.

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn Comments like this make me think you're the type of fan who would find reasons to keep thinking something, even if it may not be true. 


Milliner isn't the worst CB in the league, he's not really close. Since the Saints game he's been league-average, and for a rookie without an offseason (due to injury and his own holdout, so yes, it is partly his fault) that's pretty good. He was always going to take time to adjust, 

marshrandy
marshrandy

@frustjetfn it's way too early to make any definitive statements about the draft class

juunit
juunit

@frustjetfn 

I jumped off the balcony the day of the draft. Luckily (or unluckily) for me, I was only on the 2nd floor. 

Bytor
Bytor

@kniff Agreed except for secondary. I think they'll be ok, We'll see what's available in free agency to potentially replace Cro.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@marshrandy : Agreed with Offensive capable HC.  The league is designed to favor the pass and score today.  But we will not be able to attract a proven Free Agent QB, because of Rex Ryan, who makes a mess with talent.  Ryan could never have attracted Manning when he was available, as he is known to produce an egotistical circus. Ryan cannot develop a sound system, to build a balanced disciplined Team, thus the serious talent will always try to avoid the Ryan experience.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@frustjetfn : I like your commentary.  But Ryan needs to go.  Rex is responsible for Geno starting this year, as it was Ryan's mindless decision to play Sanchez in a meaningless preseason game at the very end.  It was Rex Ryan's terrible decision to make Sanchez the franchise and cling to him anyhow.  Rex Ryan is not a sound HC, an overpaid - overhyped Defensive Coordinator.  If we have Rex for a few more years, the results will be the same, regardless of the talent.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@joemustgo  

Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Time to go.

Brendan
Brendan

@joemustgo People will probably act like Bevell (the OC for Seattle) is that type of "can't miss" rising star, although I have my doubts. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I think the Post is fishing with that Woody article from yesterday. 


Of course he wouldn't be happy immediately following a loss, but I think they're taking his feelings about a single game and painting a much broader picture with it. Remember, this is the same guy who a week prior went on the radio and said he's happy with the direction of the team. 

ww85
ww85

@psi1 When you have a good QB, it does wonders for creating a winning culture.

BILLY
BILLY

@psi1 Talent is comparable?


Say what you want, but Flacco is a Superbowl-winning QB, and Geno doesn't belong starting in the NFL. 


I mean, come on.

dgdg
dgdg

@psi1 Both the Ravens and the Lions have more offensive weapons than the Jets.  While I am no big Flacco fanatic (or just the first three letters even), he's an experienced QB, something the Jets do not currently have.  And the Ravens have a nice collection of receivers and a decent line. Ray Rice seems old this year, so the only area I'd give a slight advantage towards the Jets is the running backs.  I like the idea of Ivory, Powell and a healthy Goodson for next year.  The more we see Ivory, the more there is to like.  


Same goes for the Lions, an experienced QB who admittedly can underwhelm (but why? I always wonder, he's got all the tools) and Calvin Freaking Johnson.  


Neither of us is going to decide what happens to Rex, but I personally think he deserves a year with some offensive chips.  He's got a contract for next year, so why not can the extension baloney this off season and just let him play for an extension next year?  A lot of the personnel issues circles back to Tannenbaum, but it's not a full excuse.  Rex finally has a decent OC and a defensive that should be killer over the next couple of years.  The real question is does the defense stay as strong without Rex calling the shots?

Brendan
Brendan

@psi1 Really, that 18-16 barn-burner tickled your naughty bits? 

Bytor
Bytor

@marshrandy @NYCPEinGermany They all had better qb situations. We're starting a not ready rookie. Solve the qb situation and we'll see how good a coach Rex can be. I would imagine the Cowboys or Lions would move heaven and earth to get Rex on their side.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@marshrandy @NYCPEinGermany No, not necessarily, but I think it might in this case. I just don't see Rex as the problem. People want - no NEED - a scapegoat but have a very short memory. The GM who put us in this predicament was fired last year. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@frustjetfn 

The only part I disagree with is that any of this is partially Milliners' fault. This situation with Milliner is the fault of whoever decided to make him the starter before he had even practiced with the team and whoever decided to keep running him out there time after time when he wasn't ready. Milliner will be fine from a talent standpoint in this league.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@marshrandy @frustjetfn No its not! Maybe we cut Geno a little slack as many rookie QB's have struggled,o.k I get that.And maybe we even give Milliner the benefit of the doubt as he missed the entire off season and pre season so he started the season way behind in terms of on field preparedness. But Brian Winters has been horrible,Will Campbell and Oday Oboushi are so bad they have been inactive all season, Tommy Bohannon is simply too slow to be effective so what we have is one excellent player in Richardson,two possibility's who have thus far under whelmed in Milliner & Geno, three lousey O-limeman  and one useless fullback.From what I read elsewhere three of these guys might have actually been available as un- drafted free agents. 

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@juunit @frustjetfn This draft makes some of Tanny's debacles look good.One player drafted and one acquired via trade(Ivory) other wise absolutely dreadful. If I have to watch Tommy Bohannon get caught from behind by another 350lb DT one more time I'm gonna puke!When you look at how little to no production we have gotten from Milliner,Winters,Oboushi,Campbell and Bohannon its mind boggling how Idzik and Rex could brag about having 5 starters. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@joemustgo 

Seattle's offense is not that good to me.....they are 12th in total yards which is much better then the Jets but take them out of Seattle and they are in the lower half of the league.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan@joemustgo 

General consensus seems to be the Raider's OC is the rising star HC candidate of this year. 

bob
bob

@Brendan@bob


Woody knows reporters right. And what behavior he gonna allow the to see from him I would think or maybe not ..

a57se
a57se

@dgdg@psi1 

I sat down to watch the Ravens-Lions game late in the first half and the first play I watched was a WR dropping  a perfectly thrown pass on 3rd down from Stafford. I was like, WHAT a BUM until I realized it was Calvin Johnson.

Then the Monday night crew put a graphic up that said the Lions receivers had dropped 36 well thrown passes this season and I started thinking about my Jets and how their receivers may not have seen 36 well throw passes the whole season and certainly hadn't dropped that many. Disgusted, I went to my room and played Bridge online.

psi1
psi1

@Brendan @psi1 Hey Brandon…I remember watching the Ravens pull out a snoozer like last night last year playing in San Diego…of of 1 crazy 30+ yard run by Ray Rice late in the game. Winning organizations find a way to win games like that. The Jets invariably do not. The Jets had their moment at the start of the drive that ended in the blocked punt in the Carolina game. It ended in a very Jets fashion. 

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@Bytor @marshrandy @NYCPEinGermany : Stop, just stop.  Ryan helped create the QB problem for the JETS.  IT was his desire to make Sanchez QB.  It was his poor handling of developing Sanchez, as well as the disastrous  Tebow experience, or even the prior Preseason train wreck this year.  Rex Ryan's fingerprints are all over the JET QB debacle.  And if he went to another team, he would make another mess with it again.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@DarrolRayFanClub @NYCPEinGermany @marshrandy : LITTLE FAILURE?


Have you not payed attention to the ENORMOUS failure over the past three years?  Why top talent won't come to play for the dysfunctional Ryan circus?  Why our OFFENSE FOR 5 years has been one of the worst in the NFL?  Rex Ryan has to go, or we will continue to be a joke.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@marshrandy@a57se@Brendan@frustjetfnThe statements excusing Milliner's play are way too general, as excuses usually are.


Yes, I expect a rookie CB to get burned occasionally, but I also expect a 1st rounder, #9 overall to be ready to play w/basic skills regardless of missing camp. For example, easy things you take for granted like locating a puff ball floating in the air forever or using the sideline to make your job easier or being able to backpedal w/o getting lost on the field. Sorry, but those are some of the skills a #1 CB should already have or he should've been picked much later.

 On the other hand, I WOULD expect a rookie CB to get burned by giving too much cushion or going for a jam at the line and getting beaten. 


WRT Bredan's "you keep thinking something that's not true" 

No, I'm realistic and don't believe what I hear if what I see in a game proves it's false. I also know that what I say to friends during the game usually tracks w/what Klecko, Lucus and Westoff say post-game so I can;t be that far off. I respect those guys big time.

marshrandy
marshrandy

@a57se @Brendan @frustjetfn it's such a hard position to play as a rookie. You'll rarely see corners come in and immediately look decent, or even competent 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan@juunit@joemustgo 

Because Pryor and McGloin are flaming piles of s*** and he's made them look at least mostly competent. 

I don't know if I agree with that, but I've seen a number of people talking about him as an HC candidate. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@psi1 

Was he saying this when the Jets beat TB in the last minute? How about when we beat NE and Atlanta at the end of the game?

Brendan
Brendan

@psi1 New York Giants: Winning Organization. 


They have one more win than the Jets since Rex was hired. 


"A very Jets fashion?" What does that even mean? They lost to an elite NFL team that everyone expected them to lose against. It's not like this was the 2010 team squandering a playoff spot or something.