Daily Links: Who cares?




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frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Best Cimini article I've seen; specific facts - wow! If Idzik can restructure Brick's cap hit and get rid of two useless players in Holmes and Sanchez, the team would be free to acquire solid players, not just big named, injured, over the hill bench warmers.

We all know our list of needs and what needs to be done, so the question is how much of the required changes Idzik will be willing and able to execute in Year 2? - Can't wait for the moves to begin.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

I love Celek, but I'd be happy with Casey too. I don't see them keeping all 3. I'm looking for Owen Daniels, Marcedes Lewis, Fasono, and Zach Miller to be possible cap casualties as well. I love Craig Stevens as a blocking TE too. It would be nice to have one of those for a change. Celek is the best of both worlds though. Great blocker, and an underrated receiver. I see Casey as a good receiver, and an underrated blocker.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

I'm more interested in whether the Eagles cut Celek, or Casey. I'd love to have either.

levi
levi

The PFF article isnt really a glowing endorsement for all you folks that want Maclin.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Would it be smart for the Eagles to move on from Riley in favor of Maclin when his chemistry with Foles is unproven? I think Maclin is better but why mess with a good thing

jdb4
jdb4

It's always fun on those days when you see the title of the Daily Links and try to figure out which story it's referring to.

kniff
kniff

I must admit, Ciminis breakdown of our Offensive cap situation was helpful, but I would rather not take a low cost approach at the Guard position like he suggests our Brass might do...We need one FA stud at the position, hopefully we retain Colon and his bicep is all set by training camp. Asamoah or Schwartz make a lot of sense depending on availability too.

We have the money and need a WR FA stud, I just have less of a clue who that might be than I did a week ago...Its anybody's guess at this point! The waiting is the worst part... (smiles) it almost feels like torture!

TE is position that is screaming to be first pick in the draft, although WR here is still favored by a majority here on the blog... Many mocks are still showing Ebron as our first pick, and that would be fine with me. For you WR proponents, I still would be thrilled with Evans as our first pick.....

At RB I'm good with Ivory, Powell, and Goodson if he can show up...a mid round RB pick would be a savey move, but he must be a ball catcher!!

bradysucks
bradysucks

@a57se


Angelo rated Kellen Clemens an Geno higher than Mark Sanchez......yes!!

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@a57se Excellent link, but I'd never rank Geno above EJ Manuel and a bunch of others in the lower 5.9 - 5.5 category. Some of those QB's have more football smarts and have actually demonstrated competence in areas that Geno hasn't a clue...yet. 

I guess we'll know more about Geno's direction after they donate another 16 games to his training. Note: I wanted him to start over Sanchez before being shocked at how raw his game was. Perhaps a separate category of "unknown" or "to be determined" should've been included.

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn  

I think it is pretty much common knowledge that the Jets are going to cut Sanchez, Holmes and Cromartie.......

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo  I don't disagree, it's just that the Jets need a #1 WR as well and the Jets can use Nelson, Hill, or a draft pick for someone to be the #2. 

a57se
a57se

@Steven Windeler  

I'd rather take Quarless....he is a good blocker and has a better ceiling at a lower cost.

levi
levi

@Steven Windeler  I like Pitta too. Im not really impressed with any of the FA  WR's that  are out there. What do you think about Pettigrew?

a57se
a57se

@jake100  

Flew under the radar? He was the lowest ranked FB in the league....he stunk.

levi
levi

@jake100  Nice write up but I have to doubt the validity of it because I know some guys on here have called him a bust.

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn @a57se 

I thought the ranking of Geno was fair though Manuel did show a little more football smarts in not turning the ball over as much.

I would not agree with all his 'elite' rankings....


frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@a57se @frustjetfnTrue, but I also want a contract restructure for Brick to reduce his Cap hit.  No loss of $, just something Cap friendlier since he's a long term foundation "Brick." I just included the others b/c they're part of the comprehensive O Cap picture.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@a57se @Steven Windeler He's not a bad receiving TE, and he can pass protect alright, but his run blocking is on par with Cumberland. I like him over what we have, but I wouldn't pay him $$.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @Steven Windeler  Meh.  He had ample opportunity to excel with the Pack and Rodgers because of Finley's injuries, but never quite made it. If the idea us to go cheap, how about Fred Davis?  He looked like he was ready to become a superstar before injury and Reed made him expendable with the Skins. 

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@levi I think Pita may be franchised. Then there's the fact that he's best friends with Flacco. Gonna have to pay to get him. I'd rather give Philly a 6th for Celek, or a 7th for Casey.


Pettigrew is okay. He's not the best blocker, but I think the important thing is he is a real blocking TE. IE he can be an extension of the Oline in complicated blocking schemes. He has a lot of injuries, and drops quite a few passes, and doesn't run great routes. Doesn't use that huge body as well as I'd like in the red zone either. It depends on what he costs. I'd like to have him sure, but I don't want to pay him WR type money.  

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@levi @jake100  MM doesn't use a FB that often. 15 to 20 snaps a game. He was average in a general sort of way. Not great at anything, but not bad at anything either. Not too bad for a 7th round pick.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100  The OL has been addressed. It's just that the new blood is unproven. Winters was a 3rd round choice that was being converted to OG. He struggled, but as you said with Bohanon, rookies take time. The Jets also drafted Campbell and Aboushi, plucked Ijalana from the Colts and signed center Dalton Freeman as a UDFA. With Schlauderoff in the fold, the Jets have back ups, with varying degrees of NFL experience at every position. 


If Colon and Howard are resigned, the Jets will have continuity in the OL and continuity and chemistry might be the most important factor for OL success. And, if any of the back ups have to come in, they each know the system and have taken reps with the starters on occasion in camp. 


In short, the Jets' OL situation is nothing like 2011-12 and, unlike Tanny, Idzik has addressed the OL, with vets and rookies.  If the Jets choose to add a UFA or top draft pick on the OL, I won't criticize it as a mistake, but as Cimini says, the Jets are devoting a big chunk of cap space on the OL, when the offense has more pressing needs. 

kniff
kniff

@jake100  Right on, you nailed it Jake... I remember Tanny got us Faneca and Woody....hopefully Idzik reads your post!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99  He was as #1 in 2011 and will be again. Heck, at least I'm a fanboy of a guy who has a 4 TD game to his credit, not a crappy TE with 3 career TDs. You Quarless fanboy, you. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

I think we all know you are a Decker fanboy....that doesn't make him a no. 1 WR...

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se  I disagree.  I think Decker is a #1, like Holmes, he's been a #2 because of personnel, not talent. Then there's the guys who could be cut, like Colston and VJax.  And, there's Boldin. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

They have the DOllars, but MORE importantly the DRAFT PICKS to do so. 

There aren't any No. 1 WR's in Free Agnecy.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Steven Windeler @SackDance99 @Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Holmes and Braylon were the best combo the Jets had since Key and Chrebet. Holmes was a #2 that the Jets correctly projected could be a #1 and Bray was a #1 with Cleveland. The Jets have to step up the talent level beyond #2 or 3 quality. Cooper, for instance, was a #4 before Maclin's injury. Jets need better than that and they have the $$$ to get better. 

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@a57se @Steven Windeler Okay he's better than Cumberland. That's over the top, but he's not quite average, and not a true blocking TE. More like Rueland. His run blocking did suffer this year with the added responsibility. So that's what I'll give you. He's Rueland blocking, and Cumberland receiving. Like I said better than  what we have, but not a starter. I wouldn't pay him starter money.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@a57se His pass blocking is much better yes, but his run blocking is not. If the Packers will not let him go, then he would demand big bucks, no?

a57se
a57se

@Steven Windeler @a57se 

Quarless??? He's a much better blocker than Cumby.....

and he won't demand big bucks....not sure GB will let him go anyway.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99 He was a rookie in 2010, started 3 games, started 2 more in his 2nd year and had his most starts last year with 10.  He has a 3 year record and the fact that he was on the IR in 2012 doesn't change that...in fact, its another reason to say no.


He couldn't become a starter after his rookie year and was just an average or below TE last season. He's just a replacement level player and teams shouldn't spend value cap space when their own rookies could provide similar production at lower cost. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

They haven't used him much as a Weapon....in 2011 he was used exclusively as a blocker. His rookie year he caught 21 balls.

2012 he was on IR....


SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se  I'm not framing him just on last season. Its his 3 year body of work and his starts, and he had a few,  in other seasons. The Pack system is geared towards easy yards for the TE, yet Quarless hasn't impressed me as a weapon. Davis is a weapon.  I rather see what Sudfeld and Pantale can do. IMO, Quarless would be a waste of valuable cap space. 

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy @a57se 

James Jones is 30 frickin years old....we don't need to sign a bunch of old guys.....:)

MarshRandy
MarshRandy


@a57se yet you dislike James Jones, who's done way more in limited opportunities there

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se@Steven Windeler 

He didn't have many opportunities with Rodgers and the chances he had this past season were with Flynn. 

In limited action he caught 32 balls and had 2 TD's......

He is not a no brainer but he fits the mold of the type of playeres Idzik has pursued so far.

FWIW, in the games he started he had 28 catches....prorate that to 45 balls for the season....


levi
levi

@Disgruntled Jets Fan T Rich is probably one of the best true FBs to play. I think he should be a hall of famer but theres probably just no love for the position.

levi
levi

@jake100 haha yeah I know. But I did think he was a bit inconsistent with his blocking. This guy makes it sound like he was flawless.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99 @levi  Not surprisingly, I disagree. Mangold's an elite player and any perceived decline has been caused by the decline in play besides and in back of him.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se@levi 

Nope, we are talking about Mangold....his negative PFF grades attest to his decline despite Bents' protestations about him having to perform more difficult blocks.

There were too many plays where Mangold was getting man handled...that NEVER used to happen.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99 @levi  Wow, you're on a role today. I wonder how much worse the OL would've been without Mangold?  We saw how bad it was with good guards next to him when Baxter subbed in. Mangold lifted the play of the Jets' OGs. Also, by your reasoning, I guess Larry Fitz isn't elite, neither is JJ Watt, or Adrian Peterson, etc.  Again, I know you make statements like this to be provocative, but C'mon Man!

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @levi 

An elited player lifts the guys around him, he doesn't sag because of them....Mangold is still very good but he is not an elite Center anymore.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99  Wow, what a terrible comparison.  Why Sanchez, a vet, and Geno, a rookie, didn't play to replacement level value has way more reasons besides injuries. And, you know better. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@levi @SackDance99  In a vacuum, he's overpaid. On the Jets, he's their Jeter in that his value to the team transcends his market value as a player. Also, I think the OG play around him declined and that caused his play to suffer. 

levi
levi

@a57se Id say thats a little different when a bunch of your WR's get injured and you have to look to the streets and practice squads to get replacements.

a57se
a57se

@levi

I agree Levi...his play has definitely declined.So has Ferguson.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99  

So then the WR injuries we had the last two years shouldn't be used as an excuse for shoddy QB play?

levi
levi

@SackDance99  I read an article on here yesterday that says Mangold has become highly over paid. Thoughts on that?

SackDance99
SackDance99

What Levi said. Plus, I don't really have the time to explain why an injury to a high cost OL is worse, let's just say the effect on chemistry is felt on every offensive play and WR is more plug and play. There's a lot more reasons, but I think you know its worse. 


levi
levi

@a57se Ok, but I think part of SD99s point was that we already have a ton of $ invested on the line so it would be worse if that happened to the O line. But yeah either way its bad. Maybe I interpreted it wrong though.

a57se
a57se

@levi  

I am talking about veteran  Free Agent WR's who are considered no. 1 WR's.....

levi
levi

@a57se But the WRs are not already costing a ton of cap space. (assuming Holmes is cut)

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

Vets like Nicks that get injured can kill the cap and hurt more than help. 

Same thing can be said about WR's....:)

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @jake100 @SackDance99  The "what ifs" go away with Colon and Howard. And, what ifs don't end with signing a vet. Just ask the Bucs and Carl Nicks or the Phins with Incognito.  Vets like Nicks that get injured can kill the cap and hurt more than help. Jets already spend a lot on OL. A miss there would be catastrophic. Better to treat the cap friendly on the OL, especially if Howard re ups. 

a57se
a57se

@jake100 @SackDance99

I would prefer a solid reasonably priced veteran considering all the above.

That is what Howard and Colon are.....DOH!

harold
harold

@jake100 @kniff


But don't forget we drafted Mangold and Brick.  We can draft our RG of the future in the 2nd round.  Immediate Starters like Gabe Richardson with approx. 40 SEC starts. Considered a top 3 guard by almost every scouting service.  Ideal size and Power for a RG.

kniff
kniff

@jake100 @kniff  ...and I can't resist reminding us of a young Brick at LT and a young Mangold at Center!! Oh and it didn't hurt to have Favre at QB!! Hunter at RT might have been the only week link, although he graded out well that year (2008) according to some old post I read....