Daily Links: You are what you eat

  • Brick blogs on nutrition [Jets Official Site]
  • Johnson is in town, but not planning on visiting Jets [NY Daily News]
  • Jets looking at rookie corners [ESPN NY]
  • No concerns over Johnson’s work ethic [CBS Sports]
  • Jets were more successful at generating pressure without a blitz [PFF]



184 comments
Bent
Bent moderator

Well, Mo won't be going to Hawaii after this season either...

twin
twin

BLEACHER REPORT MOCK DRAFT FOR THE JETS. MILLER!         


1. OBJ WR.

2. ASJ TE.

3. PHILLIP GAINES CB.

4. MARCUS SMITH OLB.

4. CYRIL RICHARDSON G.

4. KA'DEEM CAREY RB.

5. MATT PATCHAN T.

6.VINNIE SUNSERI S.

6. TRE BOSTON S.

6.KASIM EDEBALI DE/OLB

6. JEFF JANIS WR.

7.DEDE LATTIMOREOUT ILB.



What do you guys think? I think we make some trade backs and acquire more picks imho... trade back 1st rd. to acquire an extra 3rd pick....



a57se
a57se

Anything on twitter about the LSU Pro Day?

WW85
WW85

I think the Jets will be the focus on NFLN tonight. Can't remember if it's "Path to Draft" or "Total Access" but one of them will highlight NYJ.

jimjets
jimjets

I'm a jets optimist, and I guess I always will be. I know someday they're gonna figure it out. I do think we're heading the right way, and not to simplify things, but it hinges on one thing...can we finally find someone to replace Namath? Someone who throws a few more TD's than picks, avoids big mistakes, lets us run the ball play defense and makes a few plays when needed (russel wilson type anyone?)


we already have a playoff caliber defense, not the 85 bears, but these kids can play some d. can't wait til the draft

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

So what are they doing with the Pro bowl now?

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Bent  Worst part of that announcement is that it means no more hula celebration...

a57se
a57se

@twin  

Like OBJ, Gaines, Smith

Hate ASJ, Richardson, Patchan and Boston

The others are MEH.


12 picks aren't enough for you?

WW85
WW85

@jake100  Want to bet we play the Giants & Eagles in weeks 3 & 4?

gbrownn
gbrownn

I feel what your saying but Joe Namath actually threw a few more picks than tds. 173 to 220. I'm a jets optimist myself. I have faith in Geno, Idk why I like his makeup. You gotta remember just how terrible his "weapons" were last year. That revolving door at WR would help no QB. Even Brady struggled for a bit last year when his weapons kept coming and going every week.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Arizona for one year, then back to Hawaii in 2016

twin
twin

@a57se meaning get more picks in the impact rds. which I would say this year goes up to the 5th rd.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Well, if you're going to reject nine of his 12 picks immediately, probably not!

a57se
a57se

@WW85

Hmmmm, that article was from LAST years' draft...........

twin
twin

@WW85 @jake100 they try to keep travel down in the preseason.... so I agree G & E

bobbyj
bobbyj

Don't ever mention Geno & Namath in the same sentence. Joe is in the hall of fame, Geno was the worst rated QB in the league last year, & will be displaced by Mike Vick this year, as long as Mike is/can stay healthy

a57se
a57se

@twin @a57se 

I'd rather trade away the bottom part of our draft. we have 4 supplemental picks so that is more then enough.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Semantics - you only liked three of his 12 picks, therefore he will obviously need more to impress you.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

I wouldn't count Meh picks as rejecting them......so it would be rejecting 4 of his picks.

WW85
WW85

@a57se Maybe they are doing the preliminary weigh ins & the lesser known guys now? 

a57se
a57se

@WW85

i guess it isn't a live feed because the Pro Day is supposed to start at noon.

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se 

Maybe they are broadcasting this years as well....better crop this year IMHO.

twin
twin

@WW85 @twin I like OBJ because a proven ST guy & having his college ST teams coach on board, makes it oh so sweeter!!!!

WW85
WW85

@twin Can we talk about OBJ vs Cooks again? Jeez

WW85
WW85

@twin It's always been NYG week 3 & Philly week 4. Last year they reversed them & I think it was the only time that had ever happened. Some hard core guys can correct me. Freaking slow day talking about week 3 & 4 pre season.

bobbyj
bobbyj

If he has rehabbed himself/image do you like him as a fit?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@williamg1 @SackDance99@a57seOf course, every time a QB can just hand off, rather than pass because an offensive player puts points on the board, it's a weapon for the QB.  Geno and Mark came into wildly different circumstances.  Geno had to pass, Mark didn't.  Even with that, Mark also had better weapons, and put up worse numbers, except for INTs (a paltry advantage of 1 and he arguably would've matched or exceeded Geno's total if he had played all 16 games).


Geno exceeded him in completion %, yards passing and all rushing numbers.  Like I've been saying for a long time now, Geno did more with less than what Mark had and you can spin it all you want, Mark had a better team around him.  That shouldn't even be debatable.  Better OL, running game AND WRs.  2009 Jericho and Braylon were much better than 2013 Kerley and Nelson.  Are we seriously going to debate that?  And, isn't quality of WR the most important measure?  We can get distracted about TE all you want (and I still think Keller was better than what Geno had), but it isn't close at WR.

levi
levi

@a57se @levi  True. Ive wiped my hands and arse of the whole sanchez era.

levi
levi

@a57se  Haha You quibble over much less on a daily basis.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99  

Bottom Line:

Sanchez STUNK.

Geno STUNK.

I am not gonna quibble about who stunk worse because of who he had to play with.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @SackDance99@a57seSanchez's passing just wasn't all that important to the 2009 team.  If anything, Sanchez's passing might've cost the Jets games.  That Buffalo home game was ghastly, far worse than anything Geno did last season.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @a57se  


Sanchez was a lot better once they started using that.  Obviously it has diminishing returns though, so they probably couldn't have used it all year and had Sanchez winning six out of every seven and having an 80-90 QB rating all year.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @Bent@SackDance99Not fair to Geno, because Sanchez had Jericho, and Keller (EDIT) from training camp on and Braylon from week 5 on.  Geno only had Kerley for 12 games.  Sanchez had a much better road as a rookie, with better receivers and a better running game.  That's just a fact.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57se@SackDance99What was the Jets' record from game 14 on in 2009?  3-1 and Sanchez was 2-1.  Sanchez was 8-7 his rookie year, so Smith was the difference between his going 8-7 or 6-9 or 7-8.  Smith contributed to Sanchez both having a winning record and going to the post season, where most of Sanchez's celebrity was obtained.  He was a nice weapon to have.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

Without Peyton manning sitting on the bench for most of the second half, we don't go to the playoffs either.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@levi @SackDance99We were talking for the hypothetical 2009 team.  Without Smith, the Jets don't make the playoffs.  Don't forget his special teams contributions, too.


For MM's WCO, Kerley is way better than Smith, but in Schotty's offense, Keller was the slot man more than Smith was.  The correct comparison is Jericho to Kerley and in 2009, Jericho was still pretty good...a close call.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @SackDance99  Until that point, sure, but the Jets ran tons from week 14 onwards, so not by the end of the year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent  From week 14 onwards, sure, but Sanchez did not benefit at all from his wildcat contributions until that point (three carries).

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @williamg1  As I wrote the other day, Keller's numbers dropped slightly from 2008 to 2009 (but only by three catches and 13 yards) ... but his contribution to the passing game increased significantly as a percentage of total passing yards (16% to 22%).

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent Except that Brad Smith in 2009 might've been the best "Wildcat" player to date, better than Ronnie Brown for the Phins in 2008.

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  If you're going to take into account injuries then I guess the 2013 team is definitely weaker in terms of receiving corps, but that's not the front office's fault.  You can use that to evaluate the failings of each QB but not really to bash the respective front offices for not providing the resources for each guy.  In fact, the 2013 Jets did a pretty good job of getting Nelson.


Cribbs was never really a top dog - he didn't play 10 offensive snaps in any game.  Salas was never more than a 3rd or 4th option.   He only played more than 30 snaps once.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@williamg1 Meaningless analysis.  Two different offenses.  Schotty's offense isn't centered on the TE, whereas MM's WCO offense features the TE and, sometimes, even has the TE get the most receptions.  In MM's offense, Keller and Leon would've been focal points of the offense.  Schotty's offense was WR-centric.


Bottom line, Keller was a better offensive weapon in 2009 than Winslow/Cumby were in 2013.  That Schotty didn't use that weapon better is a much different discussion.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks  

Don't you know the girls all look prettier at closing time?

bradysucks
bradysucks

Arguing about Geno vs Sanchez is kind of like arguing which one of the 2 ugly girls left at the bar you want to take home at 3 AM

(Rolls eyes)

harold
harold

@Bent

They were the top dogs for a few weeks along with Hill with the Jets.  That was my point.

levi
levi

 Im just curious why Winslow gets a pass for abusing animals when Vick a guy who did his time doeant. I mean geez who goes around choking chickens anyway?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@williamg1 @SackDance99@jake100@bobbyjGeno just played a worse hand better than Sanchez played a better hand.  Geno's pieces are already better than what he had last season and there's this thing called the NFL Draft coming up, too.  So, I'm pretty sure that what Geno (or Vick) has in September will be better than what was around last September.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@bobbyj In a word, no.  He wasn't good at his progressions, certainly not better than Geno, and Sanchez's mobility (a requirement for a rookie QB in today's NFL) isn't in Geno's league...remember he didn't know how to slide?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@williamg1 @SackDance99@jake100@bobbyjYes, I'd take a young Keller over an old Winslow and a project Cumby; yes, I'd take the durable 2009 Thomas Jones over Ivory; yes, I'd take Brad Smith over Kerley because of his Wildcat abilities.

williamg1
williamg1

@harold  Hahahahahahhaa. Your argument is "evolving" before our eyes....


You: "My point exactly he is better than either of those guys.  Who would take those two over Keller in 2009?"


Now: "You tell me who is valued more?"


You went from arguing who makes better weapons, to making it an argument about money spent. 


Just stop it. Stop it now. 



Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  Keller is unemployed too, to be fair.  Winslow and Cumberland earned $2.2m between them last year though.

a57se
a57se

@Bent

Yay.....someone who is telling it like it was!

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold

Cribbs and Salas (and Nelson) were essentially 6, 7 and 8.  None were on the opening day roster.

harold
harold

@williamg1

Coming off an injured-filled season Keller got 4 million last year.  (Keller is unemployed due to potentially career ending knee injury)

Winslow is unemployed and Cumberland entire contract is 3.7 million for 3 years (he can earn more with incentives).

Money is a big indicator of what your worth is in the League.  You tell me who is valued more?

williamg1
williamg1

@harold  "My point exactly he is better than either of those guys"


You just said that you desire stats to back up an argument (which I've provided). 


Now, please, back up your argument above with stats. 

levi
levi

@Bent  Your mind works in mysterious ways.

harold
harold

@Bent

Worst than a Cribbs, Salas, and I am not even sure.

Also pieces entail more than just WR.  It compares the O-line, Defense Special Teams.

The pieces for that team were much better.

Plus a healthy Edwards and Cotchery to end the year was much better than anything we had last year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  "People mock what they do not understand"


In other words every draft expert doesn't understand the draft!

harold
harold

@a57se

We are comparing 2009 to 2013?  Great logic.  That is a lifetime in the NFL.

Bent
Bent moderator

Overall I'd say the 2009 and 2013 "pieces" were pretty comparable ... but Brad Smith-Wallace Wright-David Clowney might be the worst 3-4-5 I can remember the Jets having in recent years.

harold
harold

@a57se

On that I agree.  Geno was better and it was clear.

What he will become is what is to be deteremined.

Bent
Bent moderator

Nothing on Erin Henderson, bob.

williamg1
williamg1

@harold You know who would chose those two over Keller????


IDZIK!! (as he already mad that choice in 2012 with a depreciated Winslow). 


Are you saying Idzik was wrong? 

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Nah, just being me.....I think the whole Geno v Sanchez debate is a waste of time anyway........

harold
harold


@a57se

He said last year's duo, vs Keller 2009.  Please 57 stop trying to be Bent.

williamg1
williamg1

@gbrownn  Yes, we got him the best receiver in FA (that happens to be a #2). Hopefully he'll be provideed a #1 (so as to avoid hearing "Geno doesn't suck, he just needs weapons" next year). 


Lets not forget about the need for a #1 TE, and possibly a starting guard, along with a need for a starting CB and possibly safety. 


How many of those starting positions do you plan on plugging in the first 3 rounds? Do you expect to find starters in later rounds? 

harold
harold

@a57se

We got a comp pick for him and din't want to pay him coming off an injury filled year.  But he is still better if healthy than both these guys, period.

Lastly I am not a Keller fan, but this is not a strong position.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

I would of GLADLY taken Kellen Winslow over Dustin Keller in 2009.

harold
harold

@wiliamg1

My point exactly he is better than either of those guys.  Who would take those two over Keller in 2009?  You and I can't find many others who would.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@williamg1 We got him the best WR in free agency. We also have 12 more draft picks. Were you serious with that comment? Theres still so much time to add weapons

a57se
a57se

@harold  

and we let him go when he was entering his prime because we didn't think he was that good.

williamg1
williamg1

@harold  Keller had 552 yards recieving in 2009. 


Cumby and Winslow had over 700 last year.


You were saying something about looking at stats? If you had properly-informed yourself, I wouldn't need to actually post the numbers for you. 

harold
harold

@a57se

Keller is hurt right now.  His prime may be gone.

harold
harold

@williamg1

Please look at the stats before posting untrue statements

__fense
__fense

@williamg1 @jake100 @bobbyj  To be fair, the 'Sanchez doesn't have enough pieces' argument happened after he lost all of the pieces that let him be successful his first two years. 

harold
harold

@williamg1

It was fact.  Hopefully SackDance will pull up the numbers again for us.  You have a very limited set of facts and are just talking it is pretty sad.

williamg1
williamg1

@harold  Dude, your argument wasn't complex -- it was stupid. 

harold
harold

@williamg1

You sound silly.  Keller in his prime was better, stop

harold
harold

@williamg1

People mock what they do not understand

williamg1
williamg1

@SackDance99 @williamg1 @jake100 @bobbyj  If Geno's pieces are so bad, when do you expect them to be replaced? 


Are you guys arguing that Geno needs pieces, yet also arguing that Idzik has done well providing him pieces? 

bobbyj
bobbyj

Sanchez for his all his faults, could play under center. No shotgun offense, with a 5 step drop. I also think Mark was better with his progressions

williamg1
williamg1

@jake100 @williamg1 @bobbyj  Joey, after years of listening to you complain that "Sanchez doesn't have pieces" its sort of funny to watch you argue that Sanchez had superior pieces to Geno. 

williamg1
williamg1

@harold  Geno's numbers vs expected results???


Oh please. 


Both were identical in TD, INTs, Completion percentage and QB rating.


And I love how you guys say Geno needs weapons, and then sit back and cheer while Geno isn't given weapons during FA.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@williamg1 @jake100@bobbyjKeller at TE, Leon as 3rd down back, best OL in the NFL and he got Braylon to replace Stuckey starting game 5.  Sanchez absolutely had a better supporting cast and let's not forget Brad Smith at Wildcat and the NFL's no. 1 defense and special teams.

harold
harold

@Williamg1

He also had the #1 O-line, #1 Defense and the top ranked rushing game.

Please add all relevant information.  Again context is important.

Lastly he finished with Edwards and Cotchery.

Much better than the Jets at any point last year (by far, btw).

harold
harold

@williamg1

Geno's numbers versus expected results versus the teams he faced was much better than a 4th year Sanchez the year before.  So before you state scarily similiar you do need to add context.

Geno was much better than Sanchez.  We lost a game in Sanchez's rookie year where we rushed for over 300 yards.  Sanchez was worst than Geno, of that I feel confident.

However as a rookie Geno had as many good games as Andrew Luck.  So he is in good company.

Due to a lack of weapons and some poor games his overall number look worst, but he was fine for a rookie, imo.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@williamg1 I'd argue that Geno has already played better than Sanchez. We had the arguement before if Genos last 4 games were  better than any stretch in Sanchez whole career with us. Im on record saying I think Geno will be fine and a good NFL qb. I  love the way he goes about his business. The arrow is pointing way up with him. In my opinion of course.

bobbyj
bobbyj

I'm not sure how much promise Geno has, but obviously the Jets have they're doubts, why do you think they brought Vick in for? Vick will beat Geno out in a fair comp, & after the whole Tebow mess I seriously doubt the Jets will lie/manipulate another QB

williamg1
williamg1

@jake100 @bobbyj  The Jets won 8 games, but it wasn't because of Geno. 


Face it, his numbers were scarily similar to Sanchez's rookie season. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

Nice play on words...I have zero faith in Geno ( at least very little ) Bent have you herd if we have any interest in Erin Henderson?

Bent
Bent moderator

@bobbyj  The only person in this conversation that mentioned them in the same sentence was you!