Daily Links: You Decide

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  • Dolphins may cut WR Brandon Gibson [Palm Beach Post]
  • Brandon Spikes predicts two wins over Patriots in 2014 [PFT]
  • Ranking the top quarterback draft classes of the last 10 years [SI]



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a57se
a57se

OK, I did this yesterday and botched it by forgetting one of the top prospects so I'll have another go at it this morning......my lame 1st round Mock to the Jets pick:


1. Houston selects Johnny FootBAwl! QB

2. St. Louis trades down to the Browns and they select Jadaveon Clowney DE

3. Jacksonville selects Blake Bortles QB

4. St. Louis selects Greg Robinson OT

5. Oakland selects Sammy Watkins WR

6. Atlanta selects Khalil Mack OLB

7. TB selects Mike Evans WR

8. Minnesota selects Jake Matthews OT

9. Buffalo selects Eric Ebron TE

10. Detroit selects Justin Gilbert

11. Tennessee selects Darqueeze Dennard CB

12. NY Giants trade down to the Dolphins who select Taylor Lewan OT

13. St. Louis selects Odell Beckham Jr. WR

14. Chicago selects Ha Ha Clinton Dix S

15. Pittsburgh selects Allen Robinson WR

16. Dallas selects Zach Martin OL

17. Baltimore selects Brandin Cooks WR

18. The NY Jets select ???????

Notables left on the board:

Anthony Barr OLB, Teddy B. QB, Derek Carr QB, Calvin Pryor S, Kony Ealy DE, Dee Ford DE, Kelvin Benjamin WR, Marqise Lee WR, Aaron Donald DL, Amaro TE

NJJDB
NJJDB

Trade up to 11 and take Dennard. #fixed

jma020
jma020

@a57se  This is a nightmare scenario for the Jets.  Really need one of Ebron, ODB, Cooks, Gilbert, Dennard or Dix to fall to us.

WW85
WW85

@a57se  Why do you hurt me so badly & have the Ravens taking Cooks one pick before us?  I thought we were getting along these days?

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se  Donald is not making it to 18. I'd buy that the rest of them would, but Donald just straight up won't. He's a top 10 talent.


That said, I'm going Teddy B. Qise as a fallback. Or Verrett.

Hoz
Hoz

@a57se  If the draft fell like that Anthony Barr will be tough not to take.

a57se
a57se

@WW85

UCLA. He was recruited as a RB but when Jim Mora came in his sophmore year he agreed to switch to OLB. Has only played two seasons on the outside. Has excellent athleticism but is very raw technique wise and his instincts aren't that good. he does make impressive plays because of his natural talent.

Brendan
Brendan

@jma020 Or a QB-needy team to trade up for one of the guys left on the board. 

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 Prepare for the best, expect the worst. 


Giants, Steelers and Ravens could all go WR, I'm expecting them all to take one. I even had a dream recently that Evans made it to 17 and then.....the dream became a nightmare. 

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong  

I was going to give Donald to the Giants at 19.....that is why they traded down!

Vincent Winner
Vincent Winner

@Brendan @a57se  I definitely agree.  If Bridgewater falls to us, we take him.  He's got way too much potential at QB to pass up.  That said, I don't see how he slides that far.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  It's not that different.  Still a 3-4 base and the OLBs roles essentially unchanged.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

true but Crenel does not play the same defense as Phillips....

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  I'm aware but I don't think that matters.  Romeo isn't going to come in and say that those two guys played well, because they did not.  All indications were that the team was planning on looking to upgrade those spots.

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

they have a new defensive coordinator, Romeo Crenel.......

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se  Texans coaches were not happy with their OLB play last year.  They'll probably jettison Brooks Reed first though, because of the contract situation.


I could see them trading Mercilus if they got Clowney though.

WW85
WW85

@Brendan Yeah. He does read like Vern. Maybe we can convert him back to RB if he sucks at OLB. :)

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

I saw Mercilus in the same light but he has done better then I thought he would. Mercilus was a good fit for Wade Phillips' one gap defense so it will be interesting to see how he does this year.

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 It's essentially the same position, though. Stand-up vs. hand-down aside, they're both raw edge guys who lived off of their incredible athleticism when they could afford to do so. 

a57se
a57se

@t__k

I like the Cro comparison on Gilbert......though Cro was terrible in off coverage.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That's how I viewed Barr's tape as well. I basically had to fight staying awake during most of his film, then I'd see a couple plays that were legitimately insane, then back to a lot of nothing. 

WW85
WW85

@Brendan Gholston was a pure edge rusher in college I think? He never played OLB at all until the Jets I thought?  At least Barr has shown he can set an edge mostly?

a57se
a57se

@WW85

A lot of NFL scouts are supposedly wary of Barr...his tape is underwhelming except for the splash plays.

Watch him at Draft breakdown and see what he is doing when he doesn't make a big play and compare it to a guy like Marcus Smith who is a 3rd round prospect. Smith looks a lot better to me on those plays as he is almost always beating the guy who is trying to block him. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@t__k @a57se  Gilbert scares me because he might be distantly related to Sean Gilbert.  

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

I wouldn't be surprised if that did happen if we picked him.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I wasn't implying you were, for the record. I can just see a lot of awful articles coming from the NYDN and NYP about Barr/Gholston comparisons and then people like Joey picking it up and running with it. 

WW85
WW85

@Brendan If he's actually available at 18, I'd be surprised if Idzik passed

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

I didn't even think of that in my response but it would definitely be a high risk/reward pick.

t__k
t__k

@a57se What's your take on Gilbert?  I watched some tape on him and he looks like a athletic freak, but I really wasn't too impressed.  Seemed to play a lot of off coverage from what I saw and wasn't ver physical at all.  Kinda reminded me of Cro a little.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So what you're saying is, if the Jets take him he'll be compared to Vernon Gholston by media and fans early and often until he proves he's not Vernon Gholston? Terrific! 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Take a look at Nevin Lawson from Utah......I really like him as a later round pick....he is a slot CB candidate i'd like the jets to take.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I was a big fan of his play on tape, and taking injury into account I'm even more impressed. If he somehow fell to the mid-2nd (or the team moved in the draft in one direction or the other and he was sitting there) I'd love to add him. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Wasn't he playing with a serious shoulder injury from October through the end of the year? And still played well enough to be considered a 1st rounder off his injured play? I'm a fan. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Some have verret as a late first round pick.....I think he is a good slot corner, don't know if he'll hold up on the outside unless you match him up.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I still remember him jumping off the film at me when I was watching Backham's tape against TCU. I really like Verrett as a player, are people thinking he'll go as high as Gilbert now? 

a57se
a57se

@jma020 @Brendan 

That is why Miami traded up to the Giants at 12 and they took Lewan in this mock......

jma020
jma020

@Brendan @jma020  Right.  I'm also thinking that a team may be willing to trade up for Zack Martin if he's available.  There's a big drop off in O-line talent after him and if a team wants him they aren't going to be able to afford having him drop to miami.  MAybe the Cardinals PAkcers or Seahwaks.

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong

Chicago might also take Mosley as their Urlacher replacement a year late......i forgot to list him in the notables but his stock has been falling anyway.

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong @a57se 

Very possible but in this scenario they fall in love with Dix and figure they can go DL in the second round as there are quality guys who will be available but not so much with the safeties.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong That DL would be frightening if they took him. That'd definitely be turning a weakness into a strength. 

a57se
a57se

@WW85

Arizona would be siting pretty at 20 if they liked Bridgewater....

Vincent Winner
Vincent Winner

@WW85 @Vincent Winner  He's got elite QB potential, especially on the football IQ side of things.  In my opinion, he becomes a Chad Pennington at worst and a Tom Brady at best (w/o the Ugg boots hopefully).  When you are talking about the most important position on the field, that's hard to pass up even when you have a young, promising QB already on the roster (but I think Geno is less likely to make the franchise QB jump than Teddy, though I'm still optimistic).

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Not really.  Barr could come in as just a pass rusher and be effective.  Whether he'll become a 3-down player is a different story, but he could be a great designated pass rusher and effective from day 1, like Bruce Irvin.  Our GM was there when Irvin was drafted, right?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @BrendanThey're 3 different prospects.  Ealy is big...Suggs-like with very good pass-rushing and QB-harassing skills (he bats down lots of passes and diagnoses screens very well).  Barr is a puppy.  He has instinctive pass rush skills (he basically evades OLs like an RB evades tacklers...he can execute a spin move that is near-perfect.  You just can't teach that).  But, his overall technique is raw...he has the best upside.  Ford is the best OLB candidate, but I'm not sure he'll be as good a pass rusher as Ealy and Barr will in the NFL.  He is a good edge rusher and a pretty effective bull rusher for his size.  I'm not sure he'll be as effective as a pro.  But, he does project more like a 3-down OLB than the others.


I'd probably choose Barr based upon his upside and natural instincts. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Watch the National Championship game...Ford was impressive.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 To be honest I haven't seen enough of Ford, but I have the feeling he'd be my favorite if I watched his tape. I like Ealy as a player, just don't know if he'd be well-suited for Pace's role. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @SackDance99Barr over Ealy and Ford?  Each has his plusses and minuses as a pass rusher/DE/OLB.  Whichever one Rex approves would be fine with me...his hit rate on the front 7 has been pretty amazing.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Especially for people who refuse to use "lol" like me. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @SackDance99  "HaHa, I'd be fine with Barr"


Are you laughing, or saying that HaHa is your first choice and Barr your second choice?  This Clinton-Dix guy is going to cause confusion this offseason!

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Haha, I'd be fine with Barr. 


In that situation I'd probably be most happy with a trade-back, tbh.