Daily Links: You like DAT one?

  • De’Anthony Thomas is De’xplosive [ESPN New York]
  • McShay continues to contradict himself [Star Ledger]
  • Source: Rex not “on any hot seat” [Metro]
  • A look at the second day value at RB [Randy's Radar]
  • Jets backed out of Hollywood film due to concerns over fan, team portrayal [ESPN: NFL Nation]



34 comments
davem
davem

A Bob reference in the Daily Links title... Love it! Like a lil happy from mama.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

Man, the guy from the Ledger really likes to rip MsShay whenever he can. Not that I have a problem with that ( I agree with most of what he wrote), it's just rare to see that much venom concentrated on someone not connected to a team.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Lol that Star Ledger guy has been destroying McShay/Kiper and the mock draft obsession in general this offseason 

juunit
juunit

McShay is an idiot. But I fail to see how changing who he thinks the Jets will draft is contradictory. Guys moving around in placement is par for the course with internet mock drafts.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

The Mets aren't rebuilding. They can't afford to keep any players that play well so maybe they are in a constant state of rebuilding.

The Jets had 7 new starters of defense last year, plus moved Pace across the line. Started a rookie QB, and no WRs, or TE. A new starting RB, 2 guards, and a RT, but no they aren't rebuilding.

Brian
Brian

IMO Rex should be on the hot seat. All coaches, unless they have Superbowl pedigree, should be on the hot seat after missing the playoffs for three straight seasons. I don't see this team as "rebuilding" like I see the Mets as rebuilding. The Mets clearly are all about 2015 and beyond. Personally, although it may not appear that way, I believe we will see a Mets WS win before a Jet SB victory. The Mets have a starting pitching staff bound for greatness. And I'm relying on scouts when I say that. "it's not a matter of how good the Mets starting staff will be, it's a matter of how dominant they will be". "The Met young arms are the envy of baseball". Two quotes from Baseball America. I don't think the Jets have anything to be envious of. They have a good young front 7, they should since they put so many high draft picks into it. But I don't think it is the envy of football. All my opinion.

Zartan
Zartan

ESPN continues their trend of terrible. The jets were nowhere set up like the seahawks to handle backlash.

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy  

Cosentino is a moron and obviously doesn't understand the purpose of mock drafts.........

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100  "They can say Rex is not on the hot seat but if they miss the post season again for a 4th straight time, Rex is gone"


If you read the article, the source specifically said that this is not the case.

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit  You're right, but the contradiction comes from his saying in his current analysis that one player is better than another when in his previous analysis he said the opposite.

boomer
boomer

@brian  That's kind of silly.  How do you think the Mets got those good young arms, pulled them out of a box of Cracker Jacks?  


While the financial situations are wildly different including the Mets ownership having a financial implosion caused by the Maddoff ponzi collapse and a salary cap, they are both pursuing a strategy of getting younger, building from within with their own draft picks and talent they acquired via trades (for aging players in the Mets case) and adding a few key FAs where necessary.


Saying the Mets young arms are bound for greatness when they have gotten one great season from Harvey (who is now recovering from Tommy John surgery) one promising partial season from Wheeler and no professional starts from Syndergaard and completely dismissing the outstanding play of young Jets like Richardson and Mo is totally inconsistent.  I guarantee there are as many NFL teams who are envious of the Jets young defensive starts as there are MLB teams who are envious of the Mets young arms.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@a57se @MarshRandy  HAH. Come on, I enjoy the way mock drafts add to the conversation during the offseason, but they are so silly when you really think about it, especially how seriously some people take them

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @MarshRandy  Like someone said the other day...people mock what they don't understand.

juunit
juunit

Still, I feel like it'd be contradictory if he'd in the past said "we won't draft player X" then later said "we will draft player X."

a57se
a57se

@Bent

Yeah, people shouldn't change their minds when given more data about prospects....they should stick to their guns all the way through the Draft....that would be smart?

Brian
Brian

@boomer @brianI totally diasagree. IMO if you have a great young starting pitching staff, it is the tip of the iceberg for a Major League baseball team. It would be like the Jets having a great young QB. You can still suck in the NFL with a great defensive line. Harvey is injured but can recover at 100%. Like I said, I am relying on scouts with Syndergaard and others. IMO next season can be 1984 all over again for the Mets when you get a glimpse of just how good they become. 1985 they became a threat and 1986 they won it all. Plus, when the team does rise, and if the Wilpon's spend money on offense........ look out. I'm not saying anything that experts haven't already said. The Jet future is a complete question mark, if you ask me.

a57se
a57se

@jaygo

That is just plain ignorance on the part of whoever said it. They are confusing the usage of the word and the context with which it is used.

When it is used as an adjective such as a 'Mock Draft', it simply means

" not authentic or real, but without the intention to deceive."

As a verb or Noun it is derisive.

Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

@Bent @jaygo @jake100  no it's not, but without reading the full article you are just spewing out words that, if he were to read the article, would pretty much disagree with everything he said and we wouldn't have to waste our time reading the comment

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo @Bent @jake100  To be fair to joey, all he did was comment on a headline rather than the article.  That's not really a crime.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  I think I'd be worse because I'm so used to seeing players of pro-level ability.  Everyone just looks raw to me when I watch college film.

a57se
a57se

@Bent

I bet after the 5 or 6 years you have spent analyzing game film you would be better at projecting college players then you were back then.......if you don't find it enjoyable though, then it makes no sense to spend your time on it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  


I found that most people only care about the first round and you can get yourself up to speed on the first round in an hour or so because there's so much opinion already out there.


Being amazingly informed about 970 non-first rounders when at most 10-15 of them will end up being Jets players means I've wasted my time scouting over 950 players, when it's much easier to wait and see who they get and then look at that individual after the fact.


I also came to the realization that no matter what you know about a prospect, you still can't predict whether or not they will be a successful NFL player because of injuries, motivation and how well they fit on the team they end up with, none of which can be predicted.

a57se
a57se

@Bent

That is a fair point.

Why did you come to that conclusion about scouting players?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Maybe if he explained the reasons why he might be elevating or dropping a guy that would be better, but then he'd have to admit to not being 100% informed in the first place which none of the top draft "experts" ever seem willing to do.


You or Brendan or someone else on here might say "I just watched the footage on Draft McProspectson from Upside University and I've changed my mind on him now" but McShay or Kiper would never admit that because it would destroy the illusion that they are the most informed draft source.


Or, more likely, they'd realize that teams were now ranking player A higher than player B, so they adjust accordingly and sweep under the carpets any previous comments they might have made about player B being superior (with the option to dig out that information if player B turns out to be better.


I'm very skeptical of the whole process having actively scouted over 1,000 players per year from 2006-2008 before realizing it was a waste of my time.

Bent
Bent moderator

@brian @Disgruntled Jets Fan @boomer  If that's true, then not wasting money on stopgaps this year when you can save it to spend in 2015 might actually be seen as a smart move by the Mets.  It doesn't seem like many Mets fans see it like that (although maybe that's just a vocal minority).


I wonder if that was the plan all along or if they changed when Harvey got injured and was going to miss this year.

Brian
Brian

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @brian@boomerWhat team with a great pitching staff (not just one great pitcher) has sucked? The experts I quote are opposing scouts and they are record as saying they are envious of the Met starting pitching potential. I don't think any team is envious of the Jets. The team that guarantees SB's every year, but never comes through. I think they laugh at the Jets more than they are envious of them. Just my opinion.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@brian @boomer lol....prior to this year, 2014 was supposed to be the year the Mets stepped up, with no more bad contracts and a bunch of young arms.  N

Now it's 2015?  Now THAT'S moving the goalposts. 


boomer
boomer

@brian @boomer  Of course you can suck in the NFL with a dominant D-line.  You can also suck in MLB with a great pitching staff.  You still need to score runs and play defense and the Mets have at least as many question marks in those areas as the Jets.


But the idea that the Jets suck is silly.  They are transitioning to a new structure on the fly, getting younger largely with their own players.  And while they missed the playoffs last year, they finished a lot better than the Mets did.


Everyone knows the Mets have some very promising young arms but as of now they haven't done squat as a team and as you said unless the Wilpons start spending money thats not likely to change.  MLB is different than the NFL in that you can add much more impactful players without limit as long as you have the cash.


Much of the Jets lack of success last season was self-inflicted and you can either attribute that to guys like Geno not being any good or young and inexperienced.  I tend to think the latter.  Giving him some better tools to work with and a season of learning the game will hopefully allow him to cut down on his mistakes and that alone should make this team significantly better.  Add a young D that is verging on dominant and they aren't far away at all.


I don't put a lot of stock in "experts'.  Most of them picked the Jets to finish dead last last season and we all know how that worked out.