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Jets offensive coordinator: Geno will handle 70% of first team reps

Look for Geno Smith to take the majority of first team reps during training camp, according to the team’s offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg this week.

“Geno will get about—he has gotten—let’s say 70 to 75 percent of the reps with the [first team],” Mornhinweg said Wednesday. “I’ll get him a couple reps with the second group as well.” (Star-Ledger, June 18)

Mornhinweg went on to say it was his “respnsibility” and “duty” to oversee the balance between Geno Smith and Michael Vick.

“I’ve got to continue to progress the young quarterback that’s got 16 games under his belt—that has to happen.” Mornhinweg told reporters.  “At the same time, we just have to get Michael Vick playing at the high level that he played at in the past, within this system. So he needs some reps.”

While Mornhinweg also acknowledged that “things can change,” but that the job was Geno’s at the present time.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

The team is rightly bullish on Geno based on what they saw at the end of the 2013 season. Many point to the full four games in December, but it was his outing against the Panthers that most impressed me.  The Panthers were on a roll and their defense was playing very well.  The Jets did lose to a much better team, but Geno looked competent and composed against some serious competition.

This furthers the sense that Geno Smith is in control of his own destiny.  Michael Vick will be in New York to lend a hand in the meeting room and on the sideline but the Jets want Geno Smith to be the team’s starter, in a perfect world Geno Smith builds off the progress we saw in 2013 and with more weapons at his disposal the task might be easier for the young quarterback.




47 comments
marcus81
marcus81

Jets seem to be doing things that make sense

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

The "old" Jets  would have handled it a la Favre.  Put all the eggs in the "ready to retire" basket.

Good  thinking, MM.  ^5

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

What's the point of Geno getting 70%, he should be getting 100% if he's going to be our starter. Vick already knows the offense so there is not point in having him get any first team reps unless it's for chemistry building. If the Jets really want Geno to succeed they shouldn't be taking any first team reps away from him. Keep him in there and let him learn despite his mistakes. If he doesn't grow and starts making the same mistakes during the regular season games then we all know what needs to be done. The whole point of bringing Vick in here was not just to be a mentor or because they thought he still had something left, it was mainly because he was comfortable with Marty's offense and could hit the ground running If Geno pooped the bed.

Bent
Bent moderator

Guaranteed that now they've attached a percentage to it, the media will track the exact number of stats and accuse the Jets of lying, being unable to add up or contradicting themselves when it's only 68.3% or whatever.

bob
bob

I would like to run da ball.... How bout you......... Would you like to run da ball. 

Geno new when to just throw the ball away and not force something. in addition Geno was not the weekest limk on the offense...He played pretty good.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Excellent thread and I agree 100%. Jet fans have to want Geno to succeed, he is the future, and the arrow is pointing up! If he doesn't , it sets us back big from our quest, that simple. In Geno we trust, arriba!

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Hanknaples 30%? That is not even throwing Vick a Milk bone, and the logic is chilley, the team belongs to the youth and future, go Geno!

Bent
Bent moderator

@Tequila Joe Well, maybe building some chemistry would be good for Vick, in case he gets called into action.

Rudibager
Rudibager

@Bent Anything below 70% obviously means that Geno is losing control of the starting job!

levi
levi

@bob I dont know bob. I believe the rookie QB was the weakest link last year.

a57se
a57se

@jake100 

I don't know of any Jets fan who doesn't want Geno to succeed, some of us are more skeptical of that happening.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Bent @Tequila Joe I agree, that's why I stated it, but Geno's growth will be derailed by the lack of reps. He's a second year QB and needs all the work he can get. Can you name one starter in the NFL who isn't getting 100% first team reps? Geno's getting 70% and has a lot more to learn then the Brady's and Manning's of the world who are all getting 100%. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @bob Winters was the weakest link IMO.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @jake100

some of us are more skeptical of that happening.....

Some people aren't patient enough to give some time and let a young QB develop.   Everybody wants their QB to be the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning and use them as the standard in terms of how quickly QB's must develop. 

It used to be young QB's would sit for a year or two and learn and grasp the offense and the NFL game before being handed their opportunity.   With defenses being so much more complex and varied,  it just doesn't make sense to throw QB's in right away and expect success.   

Geno was expected to watch Sanchez at the beginning of last season and at some point during the season possibly get his chance. Geno appears to be developing the way we want and hopefully fans can appreciate it and watch him improve each year.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@a57se @jake100 Depends on your definition of success. With our D, I would take 60% completion rate, 20 TDs and no more than 10-12 turnovers. Solidly middle of the pack stats but completely attainable goals.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Hanknaples Woody wants to do more then 8-8, that's what he is quoted as saying, which is possible with Geno, considering the offense is much improved and the Defense will be improved in the secondary. The Jets should win 9 games, that's what I projected them earlier 9-7 and making the playoffs. But at the same time Woody does want to continue building for the future and ultimately have a Superbowl Caliber team, won't be able to build a winner around Vick. 

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Hanknaples Vick cant stay on the field! He wakes up in the morning and pulls a muscle! He has looked HORRIBLE this off season. He is old, injury prone and his best days are long gone. I WILL TAKE THE YOUNG COPILOT WHO HAS SHOWN HUGE UPSIDE HANDS DOWN!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Tequila Joe Geno is still in the learning stage of his career.  Vick knows MM's system and there is merit in educating Geno by having him watch what Vick does.  How about if Geno is having difficulty with the footwork on a particular play or on ball fakes, watching how Vick does it is educational.  So, as part of the education of Geno, watching a vet like Vick 30% of the time is NOT time wasted.

levi
levi

@Bent Even if Winters is worse at Guard than Geno is at QB the position of QB is way more important and the mistakes (turnovers)a QB makes hurts the O and D. So I believe Geno was the weak link.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

how many interceptions did Winters throw?

How many fumbles did Winters have?

I am with Levi on this one.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@levi @Bent But if a rookie qb with no weapons has a huge hole on the oline also, like winters, that  could bring him down big time.  Winters position is not nearly as complicated as qb, and winters was in the middle of two top lineman and still got destroyed and caused the line to cave. Geno had nothing around him at the most complex position in football. Winters was definitely the weakest link! 

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @Bent Fair enough, you both make a solid argument.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent While your point is taken, Winters brought the whole line down most of the year.  Maybe they'd have had to take fewer risks or been in passing situations less often with a better OL performance.  And there were plays where turnovers arose as a direct result of him getting beaten.


Geno wasn't the weak link every week, he actually had some nice games.  Winters was pretty much consistently bad until right at the end of the year.  

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Hanknaples Hankster, a raw rookie with no supporting cast was behind an 8-8 season and showed a HUGE improvement the last few games and has now in this off season, continued his growth and shown huge command of the offense and leadership skills. He now has real weapons and a full year of real time experience and is the future. Why go with an old injured dog that cant stay healthy? It would make no sense.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Hanknaples If you don't play him how would you know, everyone knows what Vick can do when healthy, but considering his age, he wouldn't be part of the long term success of the team, for good or bad we need to know what Geno can do, last year he was up and down, now we need to know if he can be consistent or if were wasting our time, I thought maybe if Geno didn't do well we go after Marriota or Winston, now I'm having second thoughts, I'll give Geno till 2016 and this is why:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkWVXz0jMds

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Tequila Joe @SackDance99 Because of the change in personnel.  Timing is off, tendencies by the players are different, etc.  MM can point out to Geno what the starters are doing.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100 @levi @Bent Geno's season had enough to fuel both doubters and supporters.  Let's hope his second season starts to squelch the doubters.

levi
levi

@Bent @levi Lets just hope we wont be discussing this next year at this time.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Bent @a57se I'm pretty sure Geno was pretty bad up until the end of the year too. Does anyone remember that titans game? That was maybe the worst game I've ever seen from a QB in my life...Slight hyperbole but still pretty bad...

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@SackDance99 @Tequila Joe First, you can do all that by watching film...Second, I do hear your side of the argument but still tendencies are different? If backup wideouts or running backs have a tendency to run the wrong route or play then they probably shouldn't even be on the second team. Thirdly, do you really think Vick's timing is going to be that much better than Geno's by running 30% of the plays? Let's hope not...

idothis2
idothis2

@Bent @jake100 @levi If Geno had the OL Mark Sanchez had in 2009 he wouldve been much better imo. Winters deserves the weakest link award with the receivers coming in 2nd

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Tequila Joe @SackDance99 Certain WRs, RBs, TEs, have quirks or run patterns slightly differently.  Plus, you're watching the guys who will actually run the routes, make the blocks, etc.  So, let's say Geno was off on his timing on a particular play to Decker.  When Vick hits him, Geno can focus on Decker's route...something he can't do as a QB.  We want Geno to stop locking onto his primary reads, part of doing that is visualizing where every receiver will be.  Watching from the starters from the sidelines, IMO, helps that process.  Also, how Vick executes a fake, looks off a safety or even tucks and runs are all things that Geno would benefit from seeing.

Vick's timing should be pretty good...he has the memory muscles of being in MM's offense.  30% and QB'ing the 2nd team should get him up to speed.  Also, as I said before, timing also applies to the rest of the starters.

bob
bob

@a57se @levi @Bent 

In regard to the weekest link debate.

The O-line agaisnt better defenses didnt paass protect Geno would get the ball ibn his hands a pop he got hit...Boys! I say Boys... I seen it for myself.

Not to mention our receivers and tight ends sure we have Kerly and Nelson and Comberland..health at times was an issue with Kerly and Hill so who did Geno really have helping him.

should be good this year however. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@SackDance99 @Tequila Joe You make a fair point but I still wouldn't do that...There is a way to use Vick as a teaching tool without compromising Geno's reps. Plus, I can just imagine Geno playing like crap and the media making a big story out of how maybe he should have got more reps.