Jets release details of first depth chart

The Jets will release their first depth chart of the summer on Monday, but already posted some quick details on the team’s website (Lange, August 4).

  • Geno Smith is listed as the No. 1 QB, with Michael Vick at the No. 2.
  • Running backs Chris Johnson, Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell are all listed as first-teamers.
  • Stephen Hill is the second wide receiver, with Greg Salas third and Saalim Hakim, Quincy Enunwa and Michael Campbell among “other.”
  • Jalen Saunders is the only rookie listed among first-team players.

For the full depth chart >> Click here…

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

A couple of interesting things I noted were as follows:

The depth chart lists Marcus Zusevics as ahead of Brent Qvale and Tim Fugger ahead of AJ Edds. However, based off recent practices and the green/white scrimmage, that no longer appears to be the case, so this might already be a few days out of date. I also note that Patrick Ford is listed as the third string left tackle, whereas he’s actually been playing at guard at least for the last few days.

I wouldn’t read too much into Calvin Pryor not being listed as a starter. It is normal for the team to demote anyone who has been unavailable. Bilal Powell was listed as a starter ahead of Chris Ivory for the same reason last year, for example. The fact Geno Smith is listed as a starter is more notable because last year, they refused to commit to a starter, listing Geno Smith/Mark Sanchez as the number one.

Being a third-stringer doesn’t necessarily rule out your chances of winning a starting role. Austin Howard was listed behind Wayne Hunter and Dennis Landolt on the first depth chart of 2012, but ended up starting every game.





239 comments
harold
harold

Why does the media continue to operate under the premise of if you tell a lie long enough it becomes true.

Decker was the 3rd or 4th option in Denver

Decker and Thomas had almost the exact same number of targets.

So I guiess Thomas was also only the 3rd or 4th option.

This is just misleading reporting to fit a false narrative and needs to be challenged by everyone in the media and every fan reading this trash.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@tsjc68

Actually, as previously mentioned; Francesa suggested the Jets can use that "relief" system with Geno and Vick. He cited the Redskins having used it successfully as well as a few other teams.  I remember it not working with Staubach and Morton.  

tsjc68
tsjc68

NOT IF I CLAIM HIM FIRST!!!!!!


Sincerely,

The Hoodie

tsjc68
tsjc68

Hey Rob: Make sure  they give you access to the facility.  When I went there, they changed the codes and stuff, I couldn't get in.


Sincerely,

Aaron Hernandez

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se 

There are no meaningless games.  I don't care if we keep starters in through 2OT.  Do whatever it takes to win these games, establish a winning mentality, and keep on pushing through the season.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@a57se I know I'm in the extreme minority but I love preseason football!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se

Yeah, me too.  I just picked up a couple of tickets on StubHub for Thursday night.  Chance to see these guys up close and in game conditions.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent

They're forming a superperson, like Ambrose and Byong-sun.

Bent
Bent moderator

Smells fishy given that the website has the exact same format as it did when Geno Smith/Mark Sanchez was listed as the starter.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@tsjc68 Wow, looks like I have a prescience for these things. I think it's a smart move if Breno goes down I think Oday should def be in the mix...

tsjc68
tsjc68

If Aboushi can handle backup tackle, that would be pretty huge.  It might mean we can avoid having to carry one of Ijalana/Qvale/Zucevics and can just roll with a three-man OL bench of Aboushi/Dozier/Freeman.


I'd love to have that roster spot to use elsewhere.

harold
harold

@a57se

You would need to ask his agent.

I would assume their were several that showed real interest.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @harold 


Thomas 138

Decker 135

Welker 109


And of course Welker wasn't even there in 2012.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Nah, there are three, so they have to meld together like in Asimov's The Gods Themselves.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 Winters got some reps there too per Eric Allen.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 This is absolutely necessary because giving Aboushi and Colon reps at tackle means the backup tackle on the roster doesn't need to be active on gamedays (and might not even need to be on the 53).

bklyndude
bklyndude

@tsjc68

Does this mean Idzik gets credit for drafting and evaluating Aboushi correctly in the fifth round ?

Bent
Bent moderator

Decker was basically 1a in the regular season but he did drop down to 3rd or 4th in the postseason.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Disgruntled Jets Fan

Heh.


I need someone to photoshop Ivory and Powell's heads onto CJ2K's body (and photoshop the legs on there too so that there's six legs all churning together).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Tequila Joe @tsjc68 @Bent

It's from Kicking and Screaming, a mildly funny Will Ferrell movie about youth soccer.


If you like Ferrell, I'd recommend it.  If not, stay far away.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bklyndude @tsjc68

Well, I never gave him a demerit for it, but ask 57, he's the one who has bitched about that pick for a year-plus.

harold
harold

@a57se @tsjc68

He will likely have to make it through waivers and to the practice squad.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Tequila Joe In 1992 they went 5-0 behind Browning Nagle and then won one fewer game than that in the regular season.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68

Just like every other GM in football, dude.


Teams draft players because they like them.  They keep them on the roster before they start bearing fruit because they believe in them.  They jettison other useful guys to keep them around because they think the draft picks will end up being better in the long run.


Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.  IF they're right, they've won the draft lottery.  If they're wrong, oh well, on to the next one.


I would think that, given which side of the Stephen Hill debate you keep having with Bradysucks, you'd understand that being patient with a draft pick is probably a good thing, no?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Yep and if he's the best we have at getting separation then Decker will be the open man more often than anyone else next season.  The challenge will be for Geno to recognize that and get him the ball.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 @Lloyd Jay Reife

I have spent exactly zero minutes looking for him on whatever television cable station he now resides.  

He was easier to listen to when Chris Russo provided some levity to their show.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 


I can't see how he won't have improved, going from having been a guard from a few months to having been a guard for over a year.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Saw some praise for him in blocking drills in passing on the twitter-box, said he was feisty and physical.  A few days ago.

harold
harold

@Bent

But do not stare him down as he has done a couple times since camp started.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent The expectations on him weren't that high ... and then he had a monster first game which created high expectations for a reason.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent

We were patient with Hill (and Vlad) because we drafted them and we refused to cut them just because they didn't instantly contribute in consistently positive ways.


But when Idzik keeps Oday Aboushi and Will Campbell on the 53 man roster all year to give them a shot to learn the playbook and compete as sophomores, suddenly he's a nepotistic moron.



tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68

Yup.


And had we not had Dakota Dozier fall into our laps, perhaps Campbell would win a roster spot for this year, but I anticipate Dozier beating him out because he's just better.


Maybe he still ends up on the PS, we'll see.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude @tsjc68

Well it's impossible to listen to Mike Francessa without somebody else on the broadcast.  It's hard to listen to Chris Russo without somebody else on his broadcast.  

They were better together than solo and they were getting tiresome together.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68

And he was given PT earlier than we anticipated because everyone else kept getting hurt.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent

But we are now benefiting from that depth this year, in Year 2 of the Geno Smith era, where we expect to actually start competing.


I'm fine with Idzik hoarding prospects and sacrificing a bit of roster flexibility in a year where we're breaking in a bunch of rookie starters while building a team that can contend down the line.


Big picture.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @a57se @Bent I suspect Idzik will have different priorities this year, but ultimately none of us know what the approach will be so we'll just have to wait and see.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 Likely one of those situations where he'll either look better when we get to real game time or he won't but nobody really knows what to expect until he gets that chance.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 Not necessarily an aberration, all part of the plan.  In year one, we keep all our rookies on the roster because improving our young pool of talent is a high priority, but then in year two we go with the most deserving guys and prioritize winning.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68

Or, in Year Two, we do a little of both (some stashing in certain spots, some "take the best guy right now" at others.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68

Yup, when the players all started showing up for minicamps back in May, Aboushi was already drawing raves.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68


He was starting but cut his foot open on the week before camp.


As it was a non-football injury, they released him so they could try out a few other guys (including Quintin Groves) and not be on the hook for his salary.  If none of those guys impress, he'll probably be back when he's healthy in a week or so, but obviously they wouldn't bring him back if he's dropped out of the 53 because then they would be on the hook for his salary.  


If not, the Cowboys were also interested in bringing him in once he heals.


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 No, before camp.


The clue is in the part where I said "before camp".

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent

Gotcha, my bad.


Here's an article from May, rookie minicamp.


Second-year pro Oday Aboushi, who worked primarily at tackle last year while not appearing in any games, has taken the first-team snaps at right guard. The move of Aboushi from tackle to guard was planned “even before Willie tweaked his knee” while working out, Mornhinweg said.

“He’s done outstanding inside,” Mornhinweg said of Aboushi.



http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/05/jets_marty_mornhinweg_expects_willie_colon_back_very_quickly_and_certainly_for_training_camp.html

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68


There are those in the organization who'd like to have brought him back but this front seven is a tough nut to crack.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68

Possible, but I'd imagine that Troy Davis and Ikemefuna Enemkpali have taken Ricky's potential roster spot.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 You said there was no buzz before OTAs and camp.  My response indicated that there may not have been buzz before OTAs but there was before camp.


Basically you wrote "before (OTAs and camp)" and I read it as "before OTAs and (before) camp" and responded accordingly.

Hector Rodriguez II
Hector Rodriguez II

I'm a 39 year Jet fan, originally from SpaHa, who now resides in Houston for the last 3 years. Ricky Sapp, although regarded highly by the previous staff, is not, has not & will not start for the Texans. Last years starters @ OLB were Mercilus & Reed. This year, if all goes according to plan, the starters @ OLB will be J. Clowney & W. Mercilus. In fairness to you they are very thin at the position. Having recently released last years 4th round pick T. Williams & B. Reed moving to the inside.

Hector Rodriguez II
Hector Rodriguez II

I'm a 39 year Jet fan, originally from SpaHa, who now lives in Houston for the past 3 years... Ricky Sapp has not, does not or will not start "a" game for the Texans. Although, in all fairness, he was regarded rather high by the previous staff. The starting OLB's this year will be J. Clowney & W. Mercilus.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent

Then why are you acting like the team hasn't noted all summer long that Oday Aboushi (and Will Campbell) both look better this summer than they did last year?

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hector Rodriguez II I was talking about in camp.  He started throughout mini-camp on the first unit, even before Clowney had his knee scoped.


Mike Vrabel and Willie McGinest feel he can compete for a starting role.  Mercilus is not that good and Clowney will take a while to develop.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 And if he is, would you trust the Jets to sign him ahead of those younger guys?

Hector Rodriguez II
Hector Rodriguez II

Thanks! Not many of us here! Although I'm constantly selling "bandwagon" tickets out here! I live in Spring, just off FM 1960... I have Direct TV. My fav line @ work or @ play to Texans fans is... The JETS are going to the Super Bowl! I've been saying this for the last 3 years. Everyone here gets a big kick out of that! But... You gotta believe Bro!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68 Especially since Enemkpali and Reilly are under contract for an extended period of time at rookie scale and Troy Davis offers special teams flexibility?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent

You're insufferable.  I'm not playing this "No True Scotsman" game with you anymore.

Bent
Bent moderator


@tsjc68 @Bent @a57se Exactly.  There's not much room for a guy like that, even if they excel in preseason (remember Ricky was the top pass rusher in the NFL last preseason and still didn't get any opportunities with this team).

Hector Rodriguez II
Hector Rodriguez II

Sorry about the delay. But yes... Hahaha... Texans fans sure were quiet last year! Man... I thought us Jets fans where fanatical! I live on a town house, privately owned, with my wife & pets! Got 2 older kids in NYC. I'm here because of her, of course. She works for United, used to be Continental. I miss NY my Brother! I go back @ least twice a year. This is my 1st time posting here. Although I've visited this site for a few years. Maybe we can hook up during the season... Be good to be around a fellow Jets fan! Go Jets! "The JETS are going to the Super Bowl!"

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @a57se

I wonder if Pettine up in Cleveland is calling his agent.  Cleveland's front seven depth chart has a few more openings than ours does, I think.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent It's when a statement you've made is proven to be incorrect so then you move the goalposts to say that you meant something else.


Not sure that's what was going on here, you just were on different wavelengths.