stephen-hill

Jets tried to trade Hill

The Jets tried to trade WR Stephen Hill this offseason. There were “no takers,” according to Adam Schefter (ESPN, Aug. 26).

That doesn’t mean that there might not be.  ESPN NY’s Rich Cimini spoke with an NFL executive to gauge interest for Hill.

“I think there would be some interest,” an AFC personnel executive told Cimini. “There aren’t a lot of free-agent wide receivers out there, so it’s supply and demand.” (ESPN NY, Aug. 26)

Hill has struggled in his time with the Jets. Recently, offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said he still has faith that wide receiver Stephen Hill can improve this season (Post, August 21).

“I was pleased with his progress [last year] up until he got nicked and then he got nicked again,” Mornhinweg said. “This year he was even more impressive in the offseason and through training camp, with a few exceptions. There were a couple of days there. So, he’s coming along. And in many cases, this is what happens, at all positions, but especially at the receiver position, that third year they make a pretty good jump. That’s what we’re looking for there.”


Earlier: The Rundown: All eyes on the Hill (TJB, Aug. 2)

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Trying to trade Hill in the lead-up to one of the richest and most talented receiver classes in the 2014 NFL Draft seems like a tough sell, so that they were unable to move him doesn’t surprise me.

If the Jets were serious about trading Hill last offseason, it puts a whole new spin on GM John Idzik’s statement to Hill after he ended the 2013 season in the IR.

At the time, Idzik reportedly told Hill that “we have a plan for you.” (SNY, Dec. 15, 2013)

Was that plan to ship Hill out of town?

It’s hard to know whether this is someone from the organization trying to soft-land the eventual cutting of Hill, or whether this is all speculative. Do the Jets coaches think they’d be better off if Hill isn’t on the roster?

It boils down to whether Stephen Hill be an asset to this team if he stays, and if so, how much? I think the Jets could extract some value from Hill, but it seems clear this won’t turn out the way anyone envisioned it when the Jets drafted him in the second round back in 2012 and now the question becomes one of opportunity cost.

Would the Jets offense be better served with Hill or with Salas/Gates/etc. on the roster in 2014? In 2015? Whether Hill is traded or not, it would seem that the future is drastically bending away from Hill.

If anyone could find a way to make it work with Stephen Hill, we would imagine that it would be Marty Mornhinweg. But between Hill’s inability to catch the football and his injury concerns, if the Jets feel like keeping Greg Salas or Clyde Gates offers more to this team in 2014 then getting something small via a trade might make sense for the Jets rather than just releasing him outright.

Greg Salas has done everything he can do make this roster, and while I still am skeptical that the Jets would cut Hill outright just yet, I would not be disappointed to see a player like Salas find a larger role with this team. The concern about Salas is that he might not offer a different flavor at receiver than guys like Decker and Nelson already do. If the Jets want a rip-the-top-off player, then if Hill goes that player might be Clyde Gates.




205 comments
Max Meyer
Max Meyer

"hey, we'll trade you our dumpster fire for your bag of used diapers..." and still no one took the bait. LOLJets.

Gary Walsh
Gary Walsh

And we could have had T.Y. Hilton \U0001f3c8

Lui Leger
Lui Leger

Trade him if you can. Hes a bust here in NY. He might do better somewhere else.

James Corsair Jr.
James Corsair Jr.

the only hill the jets ever had that was good was Winston Hill. just ask Joe Namath

Gescard Isnora
Gescard Isnora

Fire idzik Release Stephen hill and garbage gates Sign denarius moore and Richie incognito

Rob DeGeronimo
Rob DeGeronimo

Why would someone want him? He runs bad routes and has stone hands. Awful draft choice.

Tyler James
Tyler James

Move on from Kyle Wilson, waste of space

Heath Augustover
Heath Augustover

3rd year is when receivers often start getting a clue. He was picked first round for a reason. Unless we get a legit decent CB, U can't trade or cut him

Jason Lecomples
Jason Lecomples

...they should be making this dude walk around with a football dressed like a baby 24-7....how long before you figure out how to catch the ball as a receiver...noone wants this dude....

xplr
xplr

Who would want Hill? He's never had much production and has awful hands.

Lance Miccio
Lance Miccio

cant catch in pressure situations -Salas is like Chrebet , Nelson is 6.5 Gates is a scrapper - Over The Hill baby

James Dunn Jr
James Dunn Jr

Idk if he deserves to start but I do think he could help the team even if its taking coverage off someone else but if you could find someone willing to trade a above average player or high draft pick for him I think you should pull the trigger on the deal

Sheldon Forman
Sheldon Forman

I would like to see him traded for a cornerback or safety.

Omar Mendoza
Omar Mendoza

Ha! Might as well. Corners are corners cause they can't catch. Otherwise they'd be receivers.

John Holton
John Holton

Joe Sedo he was a second round pick in the 2012 draft not first

John Holton
John Holton

Yes for a second round pick he was a huge bust. Get a backup CB or even a decent starter for him. Or get a 4th round pick next yrs draft.

Don Ruiz
Don Ruiz

Yea he ll come back n burn the jets our luck

Ju Ju
Ju Ju

He lacks work ethic

Joe Sedo
Joe Sedo

How this guy become a 1st rounder? He's awful!

Douglas Doble
Douglas Doble

Keep Hill & Salas.  Feed Hill for the first 2 games in an effort to showcase him in a trade for CB depth.  It's not like we'll get ANY starter for Hill outside of a long snapper - ha.

David Merrill
David Merrill

If you could get some one for him, like a player who knows that those things on the end of your arms, are called hands, and that you can use them to catch a ball... that would be great. I'm tired of seeing him beat guys by ten yards and then drop another ball.

Jason C. Maldonado
Jason C. Maldonado

If u could get something for him like a cornerback or another receiver I would do it!!

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

But if we cut Hill, who will bradysucks complain about ad nauseum?

drjreefer
drjreefer

I'm not to worried over the WR or the Offense.


With the 2 dreaded monster, Decker, Kerely, Amaro, Cumby, Nelson and Gates/Salas, i think we will be okay.


CJ in the screen is gonna be go too.

a57se
a57se

@NYCPEinGermany 

We still get Sanchez rants from him so Hill being cut won't stop the rants anytime soon...

jsadolph
jsadolph

@drjreefer 

I feel like I am not looking at something correctly. 

Why am I excited about the Offense and worried about the Defense on a Rex Ryan coached team?


Ok, now I am better.  We are in a good place at this point of the season.

drjreefer
drjreefer

@jsadolph 

exactly. 

Injuries and Divas be damned.  I still feel damn good about this year.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@drjreefer 

I am ready to see the team score over 20 points on a regular basis.  I am tired of having to win 9-6 games.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @jsadolph @drjreefer


Long before Rex, although we did have that magnificent 7-6 win over Zona in '12.  We have a very poor record in low scoring games under him.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@a57se @Bent @jsadolph @drjreefer 

Just saying that the D has had to almost pitch a shutout to win games in the past few years.  And I am excited that the O may take some pressure off of them.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Bent @a57se @jsadolph @drjreefer 

I remember in the late '90's that it was a running joke among my friends that any AFC East game could be won by the first team that scored 10 pts.  Parcells and Vinny could win those games.

Edit:  Vinny only played well in the 4th QTR. And you just had to put up with the 3 int first 3 QTRs.  Drove me crazy.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @jsadolph @drjreefer


Here's what I wrote the day after the 7-6 win:


On this day three years ago, the Jets beat Buffalo 19-13 in another game Mark Sanchez was unable to finish (this time due to injury). Since that time, they were 0-18 in regular season games when they scored 21 points or less…until yesterday’s win.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jsadolph @Bent @a57se @drjreefer


The apex of my Jets fanhood was 1993 when they had a 6-0 win, a 9-6 loss and a 3-0 win in succession to move to 8-5 on the year.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @GhostofBrowningNagle @a57se @jsadolph @drjreefer 

Yeah it was fun watching Trevor Lindley throw the ball into the turf half a second after he got it so he wouldn't get hit!

I am also always stoked to watch a Tony Sparano offense run like a well oiled junk yard compressor! 

They were just crushing it!


jsadolph
jsadolph

@Bent @a57se @jsadolph @drjreefer 

I don't think that is saying that Rex is terrible in low scoring games(even if his record says so).  It is more of a Marky Mark thing.


Vinny>>>>>Mark

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @jsadolph @drjreefer 

A lot of that had to do with the high turnover rate of those offenses...they would put the defense into bad position or just give up scores...

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se Awesome game.


REAL football at its best.  :o)

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @jsadolph @drjreefer


Yes...and if the Jets defense played really well, they'd force turnovers and put the offense in a good situation (or even score themselves) and ultimately end up scoring more than 21.


When the defense just shut teams down for most of the game but the offense didn't perform, the margins were so tight that they almost always lost out.

a57se
a57se

@jsadolph @a57se @Bent @drjreefer 

Really?

Let's compare Vinny's first four years starting in the league to Sanchez' first four years...

1st year starting

Vinnie: 47.6% Completions with 13 TD passes and 35 INT's (2nd year in league)

Sanchez: 53.8% Completions with 12 TD's and 20 INT's (Rookie season)


2nd year

Vinnie: 53.8% Completions with 20 TD's and 22 INT's (3rd year in league)

Sanchez: 54.8% Completions with 17TD's and 13 INT's (2nd year in league)


3rd year

Vinnie: 55.6% Compleions with 17 TD's and 18 INT's (4th year in League)

Sanchez: 56.7% Completions with 26TD's and 18 INT's (3rd year in league)


4th year

Vinnie: 50.9% Completions with 8 TD's and 15 INT's (5th year in League)

Sanchez: 54.3% ompletions with 13 TD's and 18 INT's (4th year in the league.


In case you are wondering, Vinnie had a 43.0% Completion percentage with 5 TD's and 6 INT's his rookie season in 4 starts and 2 other appearances....


Vinnie STUNK worse than Sanchez!


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @jsadolph @Bent @drjreefer Yes, Vinny was historically terrible at the start of his career and the posterboy for being able to overcome early struggles.  I think JSA was surely talking about as a Jet though, considering he was responding to your comment which referenced him only having one good year as a Jets QB.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @jsadolph @drjreefer 

Vinny was historically terrible at other points in his career as well...

in 2000 Vinnie was at 55.6% Completions with 21 TD's and 25 INT's

That SUCKS.

The following year he didn't suck quite as bad with a 59.0% Completion percentage and 15TD's to 14 INT's...

He had two good seasons in his career...96 in Baltimore and 98 with the Jets.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @jsadolph @drjreefer 

His overall career numbers are actually quite similar to Sanchez if you extrapolate Sanchez' stats over the same number of starts as Vinnie...

His best play (Stats) for a team was actually with the Jets but then again, one could argue they were the best team he played with in his career...

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @jsadolph @drjreefer 

Haha...and how many seasons was Vinnie in the NFL when he finally was able to be better than two of Sanchez' seasons???

This is why I put up the comparison of their early years...

Compare Apples to Apples my friend.