Media Wall: 2014 NFL Combine

Here’s some of the folks who will likely be on the ground in Indianapolis giving their opinions on the events at the 2014 NFL Combine.




107 comments
Zartan
Zartan

Sneed, Watkins and Lee look really good catching the ball.

Zartan
Zartan

If the Jets came out(draft)with Watkins and nothing else, I'd be better than fine with that.

Just heard the scouts say why I thought he was a NY type player, they said Sammy practices mad and plays mad.

dabronx
dabronx

I wonder is Bishop Sankey will fall to the third round? He looks pretty good. 

Pat d
Pat d

Haven't been to TJB for a few days. The media wall is still here. It's enough to not come back.

Nick Congello
Nick Congello

I wonder what it would take for the jets to trade up and draft Watkins ?

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

I would love Cooks with our 1st and then give me Moncrief with our 1st 3rd round pick.

jdb4
jdb4

Given the Jets infatuation with Tavon Austin last draft, I have to believe they will take a good long look at Brandin Cooks.  Very similar skills, would not be surprised in the least if he was Jets 1st round pick.

Joe Ennis
Joe Ennis

Just saw on nfl network that Sidney rice will be released. I think id take a flyer on him on a prove it one year type deal considering that Idzik brought him to Seattle

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

i think its official that ebron wont be there at 18


Brendan
Brendan

GIVE ME THE BULL DOZIER. 

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

pretty good show about geno smith mingo and lattimores prepiration going into last years combine and  draft never realized how gruesome lattimores injury was

Pat d
Pat d

All these tweets are a pain in the @ss on the iPhone

bob
bob

If its ok with every one I would just like to say dis one.


Thank you Thank you....Thank You very much.

kniff
kniff

I think Josh Norris made a mistake, Jace Amaro is NOT 365 lbs. !!

kniff
kniff

A lot of chatter about Ebron and Amaro being more like Slot Receivers,  and Niklas being more the true TE, and hidden value...

Hmmmmm....

Bent
Bent moderator

Link from one of the tweets above, not really worthy of a full post: http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9424


"As I posted on Twitter yesterday, the New York Jets will meet with representatives ofAustin Howard at the combine in the coming days with the hopes of locking up their starting right tackle.  I’m told the Jets are making Howard a priority, and as first reported in New York papers a week ago, the team has already sent off an initial offer.  How much will Howard receive?  Yesterday a league insider told me it could be similar to the deal Phil Loadholt signed with the Minnesota Vikings almost a year ago."


Loadholt got $25m over four years with a $7m signing bonus.  My projection for Howard was 4/22 but that was before the season and contingent on his 2013 performance.  If anything, he slightly underperformed expectations based on the second half of 2012, so I'm reluctant to improve on my projection.

Bent
Bent moderator

I'm sorry this causes you problems with your operating system but you're literally the only person to have complained about this.  Everyone else seems to kind of appreciate it.

jdb4
jdb4

@bob  

In other words the Jets are interested in everyone.  Maclin, Sanders, McCown, Tate, Brown, Schaub.

Smokescreen season.

jdb4
jdb4

@Brad Jerris  

I'm kind of hoping A. Robinson slips to the mid second now with an average combine performance. 


If he doesn't I'd be happy with Devin Street in round 4-5

marcus81
marcus81

@rstysanchz if he's not there, one of the top 3 receivers should fall to the Jets

bob
bob

@Hanknaples


Hey Hank I would like a little piece of dat. if its ok.

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@jake100  Interesting quote from Idzik in that article (from K Martin tweet): Idzik on No. 13 pick: "Tyler Eifert certainly is a talented player, but once Sheldon Richardson was there, he was our guy."


Tells me a) Idzik willing to take TE early in 1st and b) but not at expense of BPA. So I wonder how the board will shake out, who will be there with our pick, and if the top TE (if there) goes ahead of the third or fourth best WR (assuming that's what we're left with). 


Can't. Wait. For. Draft.

juunit
juunit

@kniff  

It's OK. Josh Norris makes lots of mistakes. 

a57se
a57se

@kniff  

I really like Niklas and think he is much better value in the 2nd or 3rd round.

The kid has only played TE for two years.....

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Bent  I think you're original thought on offer would be a max offer. Now lets wait and see.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent  So, $5.5ish million per year? I could definitely live with that. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Bent  Interesting... That's significantly higher than what I was expecting him to see.

Pat d
Pat d

It just seems I have to scroll down 3 times to get where I want. I scroll down and then and then it goes back to tweets. In fact it did that as I was writing this. Beyond that I'm just not interested in Twitter at all

Zartan
Zartan

Pay it. Ill draft Jordan and fill out my roster, you can use the other picks to get Ewing , Oakley, Mason, Starks and Jackson.

Nick Congello
Nick Congello

@brendan I figured that, but he has star written all over him.

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

Jets need some speed on offense. Cooks is the fastest WR and he put up amazing stats this year. Get cooks and then get a physical, tall WR who also has 4.4 speed like Moncrief in the 3rd round is one of my dream scenarios right now.

bob
bob

@theguru


Hey there Knuckle head..LOL...You need to slow down ..Brendan is very intelligent and really knows football.

Pat d
Pat d

I can't see more than 2 WRs off the board when we pick.

harold
harold

Niklas in the third would be fine.  I think he would be little rich in the 2nd.

Bent
Bent moderator

@johnnyl65 @Bent  Yeah, it was a guess at what they'd eventually settle on and, as I said, Howard didn't really justify that with his play in 2013 although he wasn't far off.  I'm sure the opening position for each side will straddle my initial projection.

harold
harold

I cautioned you guys he could get more expensive.  I explained Over the cap can be conservative with some projections.  You guys looked at me like I was just out on a limb being provocative.  

Brendan as we discussed this is a QB driven league and Howard is a solid player that can easily start for 15- 20 teams in the NFL.  Additionally, because he doesn't give up a lot of sacks he has added value.

Bent I posed a hypothetical a couple weeks ago on Ben Ijalana

Do you think it is possible the Jets have number in mind they will not cross where a fully healthy two years removed from surgery Ijalana could take over for Howard (because he poses a better return on the money) if he is lost in F/A? 

kniff
kniff

@Brendan @Bent  I could live with that number too... Howard and Folk both deserve a payday this year, but I would feel better about an easier out clause for us in subsequent years should their play level diminish....

Bent
Bent moderator

@Marcus Armstrong @Bent  


My logic was based on Hunter's deal which came after he had played well for part of a season, but not all year.  Essentially the situation Howard was in after 2012.


Hunter got a backloaded four year, $15m deal, which they could get out of comfortably after year one (instead opting to trade him during year two).


Howard, of course, played for the RFA tag last year and would have entered this year with three years and $14m left on his contract if he had instead signed a deal equivalent to the one Hunter got.  So, I was thinking add a fourth year at $8m which would be non-guaranteed and set up a situation where either he is below that level and you'd restructure, above that level and you'd extend or that amount would be about right and they'd negotiate accordingly.


Vollmer got 4/17 so I'd imagine that the Jets would feel Howard's deal should be closer to that.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d  About 99% of the news we report on appears on twitter before it is linked on a media site or blog.  This is a great way to share the information coming out on the combine in real time, not a bunch of people linking to photos of what they ate for lunch or Justin Bieber fans obsessing over what's trending.


Not sure what the technical issue is, but I'll tell those in charge and see if they can fix it.

Zartan
Zartan

Show me your picks 1-2#3s then let me compare.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

It doesn't matter where they take him because I am pretty confident they won't take him earlier then they rank him.

harold
harold

I think he will be back as well,

My only concern is if one team sees him as 5 to 6 million dollar season player and offers him a likely to be earned contract (pretty consistent money each year no huge cap hits).

Do you think the Jets value him enough to give a contract where he is more likely to truly earn that salary?

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  I don't think it will be that much to be honest and even if the deal was worth that much in totality, I'm sure it would be structured in such a way as not to hit those high cap numbers until a few years down the line (with the ability to get out from under the deal if needed).


I believe Howard wants to be here and he's not going to risk pricing himself out of the market on what could be the only long term deal of his career.

harold
harold

Bent, thanks for responding, quick note do you think the Jets want to get it done so bad they are willing to go to 6 million per year?

That seems extreme for Austin Howard

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  To answer your earlier question, no I don't think they see Ijalana as a potential replacement and in the unlikely event Howard walks, I think they'd simply sign someone else to start.


I don't think it's going to be an issue though.  Seems like Howard and the Jets are pretty much on the same page with wanting to get this done.

harold
harold

I have not touted him a starter.  I have only asked if it is possible.

What are you talking about?

My argument is that he might be an option.  You have stated he is not.

Was Howard viewed as a viable starter in Feb 2012 by most Jets fans?

That is my only point.  You have tried to make it out to be something else.

But you are the only one talking in absolutes.   

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  What are we talking about? You propping up Ben Ijalana as a viable candidate to replace Austin Howard. Your logic being "well...prove he can't!" 


But you're calling out my logic? Okay. 

harold
harold

What are you talking about Brendan?

Ususally you are coherent, this argument you are making is silly.

I stated Howard may (not will or has) get more than many of you expected.

I than ask if Bent thought based on prior projections Ijalana if he thought their was point where Howard price would surpass his value and if Ijalana could project as a long term answer.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold


"Hey, he could be the starter...you never know!" isn't really a reason, either, is it? 


And pre-draft projections mean little, you know that. 


He's never started, he's played minimal game snaps, he's been injured the majority of his career and the team didn't even dress him for depth last season. I'll stick with those, you stick with "well....maybe he figured it out and is a starter now." 

harold
harold

But everyone is a non-starter until they start.  What you say is especially non-convincing.

You are attempting to counter a superior argument with nothing but he has "37 career snaps".

But fine let's play that game.

Ijalana was a rookie projected starter that speaks to his natural ability. 

My point is not Ijalana is the answer I have simply not choosen to eliminate him as an option.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  The unreasonable part begins when you talk about a guy with 37 career snaps as a starter-level player. 



There has been nothing that suggests Ijalana is, but for the sake of conversation you suggest there is. 


I don't even count him as depth yet, he didn't even suit up last year. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  What had Vernon Gholston "proven?" 


Using one person who made it with little experience doesn't mean it's common or even likely. 

harold
harold

My conversation is about cost vs production.

We all want Howard back: Reasonable

We all want him back at a salary that reflects his play: Reasonable

If Howard wants a top market contract for a RT: Jets may think unreasonable

In this scenario Howard moves on: Reasonable

Jets look at other options both internal and externally:  Reasonable

Not sure where the unreasonable part of the discussion is please enlighten me. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold  If the Jets had confidence in the point of view you are expressing after already conducting their after season evaluations why would they be bothering entering talks with Howard?  I'm fine with speculation as long as it has reasonable basis.

harold
harold

I just responded about options below to you and above in response to @a57se.

We should always have options. 

That is my point we may have cheaper options than Howard.

Remember everyone saw it as a forgone conclusion this just shows nothing is ever done until the ink is dry and Elvis Dummervil showed us until the fax is sent.

harold
harold

This whole conversation is speculation.  I have maintained I would sign him for around 5 million.  Much more than that I would possibly draft or sign a vet and look for alternatives.

My point is not to discount Ijalana because he was highly thought of prospect and being healthy he could be ready to fulfill his potential.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold  Not that he can't but until he proves to the OL coaches Howard is first choice Ijalana needs a training camp to prove otherwise and we can't go into camp without a known starter on the roster.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold  It is not an established fact that Howard will get or even be asking for 6m. ,I find that to be way to high for a slightly above avg. player at this time. 

harold
harold

@a57se

We had Hunter and Howard.  I am not saying you cannot sign a vet to compete.

Colon if resigned is a safety net at that position.

I am not saying no alternatives. 

I am saying alternatives that we are not paying 6 million a year for their services

harold
harold

Howard had one career start before he started for us.

What is your point excatly.

My point is we do not know what the young man can become. what had Howard proven before he got his shot?

You dismissing him because?

Not really sure.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

While I agree with you about Ijalana being a possible good player for us, it would be foolish to go into training camp with him and Aboushi competing for the RT job.

Yes, I know you didn't say this but you haven't offered an alternative that promises quality play at RT. Howard does provide that. I'm not sure the Jets have much of a choice but to get a deal done with him.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Howard was a college TE, it makes sense that he'd need some years to develop. 


Ijalana has always been a LT, he was drafted in the 2nd round and even with that he wasn't a starter as a rookie. Then he blew his knees out in successive years and spent last year inactive. I have no idea how you look at a guy with less than 100 NFL snaps is a starting-caliber player, or can replace a guy who has started the past 32 games for the team, playing average football, at worst, and well above-average, at best. 


I ask you: what has Ijalana done to prove he can play at the NFL level? 

harold
harold

The point is why would he think Ijalana cannot do the same?

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold  I don't get why it matters what a players resume was before he starting producing as a starter? All that matters is he's turned into an above average starter with chance for improvement.

harold
harold

I know you think Ijalana is not a quality player who can replace Austin Howard.

Howard resume before 2012

Howard was a noboby who was let go by the Eagles.

Practice squadder on the Ravens who we signed.

Ijalana was higher level propsect who has had some injuries.

Now two years removed.  I am eager to see if he is back to that level of athleticism.

If he has gotten better and stronger I wonder aloud if he can start.

I ask you what was Howard  standing in the league before 2012?

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  No, I do not think the team is considering Ijalana as a potential replacement for Howard. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Obviously not because I said I wasn't prepared to increase my $5.5m p/y projection.  This is the APY of a deal that would likely increase in value over time.  Year one cap hit probably would be about $3-4m and the value wouldn't rise to that level unless he continued to play well enough to command it.


The going rate for competent starting right tackles is about $5m.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Right, I was modeling my fake deal after Vollmer's. Hopefully Austin's deal is closer to that than to Loadholt's. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Marcus Armstrong 

Do you really believe that Howard is worth $6+ million per year?

Jeez, people said I was being too generous when I coulnted him between $3 and $5 million per year!