Quote: A little perspective

“As often happens when you get the break, when you get to take a step back and observe and analyze and assess what’s going on, you come back even stronger. I think that’s what will happen with Mark. Hopefully, for him, it’ll happen in New York. Wherever he winds up after that, if that doesn’t work out, Mark is a good football player. I think he’ll be better than ever.”

Pete Carroll on Mark Sanchez




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machoking
machoking

Mark probably would go on to be a really good QB.... our luck.

Pat d
Pat d

Everyone thinks its best for Sanchez and the Jets to move on until he winds up with the Pats

arc34
arc34

I could care less what Carroll thinks...you know, all that integrity he brought to the USC program.

kniff
kniff

There is no way Idzik, who wouldn't even roll his dice on a recovering superstar Darrelle Revis, and an exorbitant salary demand coming off of an injury, will retain Sanchez (with similar circumstances) past the deadline, because then he would OWN it!! 


Idzik will not endorse the buttfumble, nor do I think Woody (or the fans) want him to.


bradysucks
bradysucks

Please trade Sanchez within the AFC East . Is this too much to ask? What would be better than the Jets defense getting to play against Sanchez twice a year? This would be blissful. Throw us a pick 6 Sanchez......You can start for the Bills or Dolphins any day in my book.......Their fans will love you!!!!

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

The fact that Geno's rookie year was better then Marks 4th year with the same crappy cast and a statistically worst D says all that needs to be said.

Until Geno throws away games like Mark did, he is a better QB. Remember mark had a 5 int game his rookie year, when we ran the ball for 300+ yards. Geno would never lose that game.

kniff
kniff

If we keep Mark it will be a 13.1 million dollar hit against the 2014 cap... you guys know this.


That is two FA stud money no problem...like a Guard and a Linebacker bros....


Losing Sanchez is easier than losing Holmes, or certainly Cro to me.

tish
tish

I hope it works out well for Mark playing for NY, the NY Giants

dabronx
dabronx

The sad truth is, if healthy, Mark probably would beat Geno out today in a straight competition. I'm not sold on Geno and everyone is giving him allot of leeway because he is a rookie. For me, the jury is still out on Geno. However, no way Mark should be on this team in 2014. The relationship is over. 

I would still draft a QB in this years draft if one drops and is a value pick. Cutting Sanchez may give Geno the same perception Mark experienced when the job was simply given to him. I want a legitimate threat to Genos job security battling it out for the starting position. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d Who would care if he landed on the Pats? 

bob
bob

@jaygo



Read the article above....... hint hint.

kniff
kniff

@jaygo Brian Costello, Elvis Costello, Abbott and Costello.... who knows, this guys check depends on this kind of conjecture, fact OR fiction....


Fear not my good fellow, cause February is quite close and we will all know soon enough!!

a57se
a57se

@kniff 

I bet that is one thing we all can agree on on this Blog.

a57se
a57se

@tish 

Where have you been hiding?

I don't remember seeing a post from you in a long, long time!

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@dabronxWelcome to the adult's corner. You are correct. Mark would've been the starter. While no longer a Mark fan based on his performance, Geno's Cortland performance means little. It's not real action under pressure which could explain why his ineptitude for 14 games is understandable. He simply wasn't ready. The fact that he was forced to start was caused by the Jets not having an adequate alternative going into the season.

The troubling thing now is that a lot of fans want to award him the QB job despite an up and down (mostly down) season based on the fact that he was the default starter for 16 games. That, of course, is ridiculous Competition and merit is the only way to go forward; if that's really the direction you want to go.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@dabronxRemember, Mark allegedly won the job "by default" because Geno looked bad against the Giants.  However, I can attest to the fact that Geno was flat out out-performing Mark in Cortland before he turned his ankle and started struggling.  In a straight competition, Geno's superior arm strength, accuracy and mobility would trump Mark's game.

harold
harold

Not likely. Not sure what you base Mark beating out anyone in the league.  He needs to prove he can play going into his 6th season.

I have posted enough on Sanchez (good and bad) to last me a lifetime.  Won't spend to much on that.

However agree Sanchez is toast in NY.  As well he should be.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

He is the definition of grass is always greener. He wants ANY QB not on the jets.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Which?

First pats game? Woulda won if gates held on to the ball? Titan? Who were up 20 by half? Bengals? Same thing? Bills? Nope. Ravens? Naw. The dolphins? Nope. (He didn't throw at all those games let alone throw the game away) the panthers? Maybe that pick 6 but hey there is 1 I guess. But I can't say he by himself cost us a single game this year. I doubt we win more then 2 of those losses with another QB.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@buckets@DrJonathanReefer


We should start Marko Smithchez  as the Jets QB. He can commit the buttfumble with 4.5 speed. He cannot read a defense or manage to protect the football, but he can speak very well to the media. He is not very pleasant to fly with but he dresses very fashionably (and this includes women's headwear and jeans). He thinks JayZ is more talented than Led Zeppelin and loves watching Desperate Housewives. He isn't a good QB; but he'll get mucho support from Joeybody and many others on thejetsblog. In summation....he is the most interesting QB in the world!

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

3 practices at the beginning of camp and you can attest to it...oK!

Pat d
Pat d

Josh McCown would kill Geno in a competition

kniff
kniff

@jaygo Yeah, and lets go get Josh McCown from the Bears... damn, his salary was only $840,000 last year, to compete with Geno...


With some ramped up pass protection via FB, TE, and Guard, the AFC East will be fuc**ed if we cop some WRs in the draft!!!

kniff
kniff

@jaygo @kniff Dude, no doubt I could see Mark WANTING to go there... he's a Cali kid and he AND the Jets must move on... indeed I think its better for all involved!!

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65 @bradysucks Or if you mean from another team I wanted Foles the last few years. Too late now.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65 @bradysucks Pennington,Foley

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks

Who said anything about putting all of the teams eggs in one basket.  I'm saying build up the team first.  If ever there is a great QB available and the team is in a position to make a move,  I'm all for it. 

I'm saying Manziel is not the guy to make a move for, nor is the team in position to give away draft picks.  And Manziel may have a decent career.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Put all your eggs in one basket brooklyndude. Great strategy

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks 

Unlike you,  I realize there are no absolutes or guarantees. That's why I find it hard to understand trading up for a guy you can't even say is an upgrade over the current QB.   Not to mention we still have glaring needs at WR and TE and some other positions.  

I realize you have fallen hard for this guy,  but how does it make sense for the Jets to go after Manziel after drafting Geno in the second round last year.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I am not saying you trade the farm for a top 5 pick. But if Idzik believes the Jets can upgrade the QB position and a guy like Manziel falls out the top 8 or 9 picks in the draft then yes you consider trading up. Good GM's always try and upgrade the QB position when their QB is inconsistent.

You are looking for a guarantee and there are no guarantees the Jets draft a good player even if they stand pat. You and Joeyboy think in "absolutes" and I'd prefer to see how the draft unfolds and then decide whether or not trading up makes sense. The Jets traded up for Revis which was a good move but also traded up for Keller which was not a good move. I got no problem with a GM moving up if he believes he can improve the QB position

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks  

I always laugh when people say the Jets can't afford to add a possibly elite QB

"Possibly Elite" QB.

So we should trade up for somebody who might possibly be elite and may or may not be better than Geno Smith.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@jake100 @bklyndude 

Manziel might have a nice career in the NFL,  but I don't think it's a guarantee or worth trading away valuable assets to find out.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@jake100 @bklyndude 

Just about all QB's playing in the NFL fall into the non-elite middle of the road capable category.  Some have hit their ceiling and some are still improving.  Geno has shown enough to continue playing and finding out how much better he can get.  At some point we will know the answer.  It's certainly not after 16 games.

Manziel is no guarantee to be anything other than another QB with potential.  Elite - based on what ?  

Not sure why so much love for him other than great college highlights which also show a certain gunslinger mentality which can be dangerous at the NFL level.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I always laugh when people say the Jets can't afford to add a possibly elite QB because other positions are more important!! Sure they are (sarcasm)

You're right that Manziel probably won't be there at 18. As a dreamer I reserve my right to dream of a world in which the Jets have a top 15 QB. We have a bottom 5 QB and have had one for years....(doesn't mean I don't hope Geno improves)

Reefer is a lot grumpier since he went to medical school...

:)

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks  

Manziel is a good prospect

But he won't be available when the Jets pick at 18,  and the Jets can't afford to trade up with so many other needs. Might want to stop dreaming of Manziel to the Jets.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@DrJonathanReefer 


Reefer......I always said falling in love with QB's is a mistake! So I do stick to my own guns


I root for Geno.....but I don't give unconditional support before it is earned and I will always embrace competition


Last I checked Drew Brees, Russell Wilson etc were some pretty good small QB's.....Manziel is a good prospect


One more thing......Inhale...now exhale....slower now....and repeat

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Yeah we know how you feel about any jet QB. But it's not like you have any idea who is good anyways. Last offseason you where all over geno's jock just like you are Johnny football.(how anyone wants a QB the size of a 15 year old is beyond me)

Can't respect the opinion of somebody who can't stick to their own guns.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I'll get on board when he is a proven commodity, not based on flash.

harold
harold

@jake100

@a57se and I are good. But he does need to let the hurt go about Sanchez and Nagle being busts and Foley and Pennington getting hurt.

As Jets fans we have had some tough breaks but we will be okay. Our time is coming get on board the Geno led Jets train. It pulling out of the station dont be late.

harold
harold

@a57se

I misread jaygo as you sorry. But the other statements still apply. You know I dont do that, so pardon me.

harold
harold

@a57se

Facts are stubborn things

In the 11 games the Colts won his rookie season Andrew Luck had 21 total TD's and 10 turnovers

In the 8 games the Jets won Geno had 16 TD's and 6 turnovers.

In wins they played the same.

You win more regular season games when you have a better offense, which they have and had. If we are patient and build our offense we should be an 11 or 12 win team next year. I really belive we can do it.

MEN LIE, WOMEN LIE, NUMBERS DON'T

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Harold, I have not called you boring or anything else for that matter.

If you are going to degrade into personal attacks, i will disengage from discourse with you.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Harold, you can believe that Geno played some games as well as Andrew Luck as a rookie all you want, that is pure fantasy to me.

harold
harold

Pot meet kettle. If you post he was the 34th ranked QB again with no context....

Have posted numerous facts to support my argument you generally post one.

I think I know which one is more boring.

a57se
a57se

@jaygo@a57se 

I know and I agree but I keep being challenged about it all the time......

harold
harold

@a57se

I have the question many times if he was able to produce as many quality games as Andrew Luck in his rookie year with the supporting cast we had. Why aren't you and Bradysucks excited?

You guys same as though you are expecting a QB who is a mythical figure, and when you see a man you complain that he is merely a man.

There are no superman, give him time and you will have yourself a better QB than Sanchez almost certainly.

Be patient guys your criticism lack context so they come off overly critical.

And remember the kid has a chance to be good.

a57se
a57se

@t__k

My position on Geno has been very consistent.

I really don't care who likes it or doesn't. 

He played like crap as a rookie. There is NO debating that with me  He was the 34th ranked QB in the NFL his rookie season. THAT SUCKS.

He has some skills that are good like a good arm and he can run with the ball. He does not see the field well nor read defenses well. His footwork under center is terrible.

He improved his ball security over the course of his rookie season and he made better decisions about running vs. throwing the ball the last few games. 

I don't know what Geno will become but I think his flaws may be too much for him to overcome so I would like the Jets to bring in some real competition through the draft or free agency. I don't think the Jets will do this, I think we are stuck with another year of Geno.

I hope he develops as a lot of the guys on this Blog hope he will but I think he will struggle with these things all his career.


Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 I always gotta pick defense, so I'm going with Seattle. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Dude, please don't repeat your old Sanchez argument. You were doing so well lately. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Dude , you were the only person that in every BGA would try to point out every single flaw Geno had in that game as the fact that you hate him so much that if anyone even says 1 good thing about him you respond about all the bad.

Your Narcissistic Personality Disorder is in full effect.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I am not comparing teams and I don't like getting dragged into silly comparisons between Sanchez and Geno.

The bottom line to me is that they BOTH SUCKED AS ROOKIES.

That is all that matters....you can speculate on what might have been with who playing where all you want, it is meaningless to me and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.


harold
harold

@a57se

Please do not compare the 2009 Jets Team to the 2013 team.

Their is no comparison.

I have compared this enough the facts are not remotely close Geno was better, even though the Jets team was much better in 2009.

With that team Geno stats probably look Mark's 2010 stats which was his best season overall

Although Sanchez was a little lucky that year because of all the dropped picks that year.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seYou said: "If Geno plays as well as Mark did over stretches of 2010 and 2011, I will gladly support him. He hasn't to date."  And, I responded with "Geno's last 4 game stretch was better than Mark's final 4 games in 2011."

So, I wasn't talking about rookie seasons (although, on balance, I think Geno did more with less).  I was comparing the end of Geno's 1st season to the end of Mark's 3rd (and the end of the 4th wasn't pretty either, with 3 out of 4 games with completions under 50% and 1 TD to 8 INTs) because that was the comparison that you indicated would change your mind.


a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se@jake100 

By the way, Marks' last four games in 2009 were the loss to Ind. in the AFC Championship, the two playoff voctories vs. SD and Cinn,. and the win over Cin. to get into the playoffs....that was one of MArks best stratches and was definitely better than anything Geno did....

That said, they BOTH SUCKED AS ROOKIES!

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se@NYCPEinGermany 

Sanchez flashed his rookie year just like Geno flashed.....That doesn't mean anything to me. 

Both offenses had to rely on the running game and were simplified for the rookie QB. Neither rookie created much offense on their own....the only positive, to me for Geno was his running. If I wanted a RB I would have drafted one...I want a QB.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99@NYCPEinGermanyThen, foolish people shouldn't criticize Geno.  His game, going 8-8 with a terrible offensive team around him, is proof of his promise and I just like to point out the facts to the fools.  And, you are the King of Fools in this regard.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@jake100 

If Geno plays as well as Mark did over stretches of 2010 and 2011, I will gladly support him. He hasn't to date.

 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100Yes he did and only time will tell whether Geno is intrinsically a better QB than Geno.  I think he is already, but I can understand people who feel otherwise, especially because Mark looked so promising in 2010.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99@NYCPEinGermanyYeah right.  You hate Geno so it colors your opinion and I don't have to defend my opinions when yours are obviously and have always been biased about Geno.  In fact, you and others are so unfair about him, I feel the need to defend him, like I used to do for Sanchez for 2 1/2 years.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@NYCPEinGermany@SackDance99@a57sePeople forget that he was booed by the Cortland fans for throwing picks and that Geno didn't throw his first pick until after his ankle injury.  IMO, the competition was never really close because Geno was just so much better at throwing and running.  Mark could've had an edge being the "savvy vet" but Mark never achieved even mediocrity in his 4 years of starting, so he couldn't even use his experience as an advantage.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@SackDance99 @a57se 

I thought Mark was pretty pathetic in pre-season. Every chance he had to pull away from Geno, he stunk it up so that the competition continued. Reminded me of Clemens-sanchez in 09. He flat out did not take advantage of opportunities and the fact that he was a vet going against a rookie and couldn't pull away (again, clemens-sanchez) told me everything I needed to know.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldHe just makes it up as he goes along; don't pay him any attention.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100@a57se@SackDance99MM and some analysts before the Giants game also praised Geno and then MM specifically praised Geno for competing despite the ankle injury.  Players concerned about their stats might have begged out of practice, Geno never did.

harold
harold

Geno did not play against Jacksonville, what are you talking about?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seYeah, right.  From the biased, Geno-hater who didn't like him in college, didn't want the Jets to draft him and never praised Geno for any of his good performances, but brutally criticized him for his bad ones.  Yeah, your opinion on this counts....

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Geno only played a couple series in the detroit game and was terrible...he was afraid to throw the ball


harold
harold

Mark was pretty bad in preseason.  He had a couple good drives just like he has for his entire career.  But overall he did not move the offense consistently.

Geno was playing better than Mark until the Lions game.  Let's not do revisionist history here.

a57se
a57se

@jake100@SackDance99@a57se 

You have the facts correct Joey......

some folks prefer revisionist history!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99I saw more several more than that and likely as many as Bassett, Corey and anyone else who posts or writes here.