Sources to ESPN New York: “Rex doesn’t know”

Over at ESPN New York, Rich Cimini reports that Rex Ryan is still in the dark about his future employment status with the Jets.

Perhaps even more newsworthy, Cimini also drops this bombshell:

The Jets have an unusually large number of assistant coaches in the final year of their contracts, an indication that general manager John Idzik has been mulling a coaching-staff shake-up since last offseason. Soon-to-be free agents include Mike Devlin (offensive line), Karl Dunbar (defensive line), Ben Kotwica (special-teams coordinator), Sanjay Lal (wide receivers), Anthony Lynn (assistant head coach/running backs) and Dennis Thurman (defensive coordinator), sources said.




59 comments
hankincolo
hankincolo

Rex is a shade under .500 with a rookie QB, lacking a stud WR. If you have no passing attack in a league that throws flags around at the DBs like candy canes at Christmas, but you STILL have a .500 team you can't blame the coach who also beat Brees and Brady. What happens if the Jets beat the Dolphins? You still fire Rex?


The Lions coach has more talent on his roster than the Jets do and he failed to get into the playoffs, but you fire Rex who coaches a team with no Pro Bowl starters? Really?

bonozoffa
bonozoffa

I give the hack Cimini credit for being creative here and reporting an angle that no one has reported, but the fact there are assistant coaches either in the last year or (in actuality) wrapping up a 1 year contract means nothing. The Jets coaching staff was gutted last year, and the "dewsh" Cimini was the using that as part of his "the Jets are a mess" narrative he was pushing all off season last year. So I take this, like I do everything this clown reports, with several (dozen) grains of salt.

Like it or not, but Rex's future is tied to how he does tomorrow. He wins, he stays. He loses, he's out. I'm not a fan of that, as there are no candidates out there who make me moist and I'd like to see him get a 1 year extension and play next year with some weapons before determining what they do longer term.

But please stop citing Cimini as a Jets reporter. He an insult to reporters out there and fans of the team he reports on. If I have any wish for 2014, it's that he is gone from the Jets beat.

Vinnie Pedi
Vinnie Pedi

First, if they fire Rex I am going to be furious as hell and reconsider going to any home games next year unless they play well.

Second, Dump Devlin, possibly overpay for dunbar unless he gets a d-coordinator job, dump kowica (i expext to lose him to army), sadly* keep sanja, keep lynn, keep thurman

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

I never liked Idjit, never will.... 

djf1
djf1

If Rex is fired, he's probably poaching Dunbar for his next gig regardless, which is unlikely to be good for our young d-line.

Joseph Covington
Joseph Covington

Again I don't trust this guy. Wtfreak has him or his daddy done. Hell I've been around football all my life 2. He is gonna screw this all up. I dont see anyone on the Seahawks coaching staff that remotely has what it takes to win here. Idzsh!t is NOT AS ADVERTISED!Fire Rex or any of the coordinators and you will write your ticket OUTTA HERE!

Brian Berness
Brian Berness

Interesting situation. Rex has gotten some mileage out of this year. If Idzik dumps him and brings in Darrell Bevel or Whisenhunt, the onus will quickly turn to the offense and won't be pretty. Keep Rex and Mornhinweg and let them restructure the offensive staff. Give Rex the luxury of what he had his first two seasons, a solid defense and an offense with some weapons. There should be plenty of money and draft picks to do that.  Get a couple of receivers and a tight end, solidify the left guard spot, and add a corner...


I read "Collision Low Crossers" by Nicholas Dawidoff. Fascinating stuff about the Jets and how much they all love Rex. Even Mike Pettine, who was a key character in that book. Looks like the media was wrong and Pettine left to prove that he can get out from under Rex' shadow and not because they disliked each other. Even more fascinating how much the team did not trust Sanchez and how his flaws are glaring.....

kevino
kevino

This is fascinating. You have a coach, who despite not making the playoffs for the last three years, has almost universal support amongst media & fans. When was the last time that happened? If Idzik plans to get rid of Rex, it could get real ugly real quick with the fans if the next guy doesn't have immediate success. Also, if Idzik wants one of his boys from Seattle to coach the team, how long would the Jets be willing to wait until they get their man? What if Seattle goes to the Super Bowl? Could the Jets wait that long?


I read something on Twitter from Jay Glazer that suggested that the hiring trend could change this offseason to defensive minded coaches. That could mean that Rex doesn't stay unemployed for too long.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

i see alot of people calling idzick a numbers guy like how tannebaum was but he has been around football his whole life because of his fathers asst coaching positions  plus he has some asst coaching on his resume too...seems like he has some good experience on the personnel side of football too not just a salary cap guru 

realjetfan
realjetfan

I thought Rex knew he was getting fired and told his players that before last week's game?


Gotta love these media parasites contradicting each other...

Bent
Bent

I really don't want to lose Dunbar.  That's worrying.

Mark
Mark

I have a suspicion Monday is going to make me feel like I did when I watched the red wedding

dylan_f
dylan_f

Still think that shaking up the staff and keeping Rex makes the most sense. Especially at O-Line, ST, or QB coach (if Lee were to get fired), I'd love to see them add another strong personality who has a history as a head coach and can focus on the details Rex may miss. Tom Cable, Gary Kubiak, Mike Munchak, etc.

John C
John C

That really is a "bombshell".

Idzik has got a lot going on this off season, but trust  that the Dartmouth Mathematician will make the right choices. He's hand picked his draft scouts for this years draft, everything will go according to plan, with or without Rex.

In the words of Damian Woody, "Let the man cook!"

jdb7
jdb7

How in the world would Idzik be contemplating a shakeup because of the assistant coaches.  They were here before he signed on. Their contracts probably coincided with Rex's.  


Cimini is absurd.

djf1
djf1

@bonozoffa you really think idzik is letting this game be the deciding factor?

psi1
psi1

Right now it seems many are choosing not to attend the games as it is. Another reason for the likely staff turnover. FWIW, I'd try to keep Dunbar.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@Vinnie Pedi first of all, nobody cares whether or not you and I choose to actually attend the games.As long as we buy the tickets they could care less.Secondly, some of your coaching ideas are wacky ,to say the least.Kowica didn't  get the Army job.Secondly, keep Sanjay Lal?

That's the absolute last guy I would keep. Have you seen anything that resembles improvement from any Jet receivers? Steven Hill is the poster boy to dump Lal. His career has basically mirrored the career of another high pick entrusted to Lal in Oakland Darrious Heywood-Bey who flopped under Lal but has come on for Indy. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

He was smart enough to unload Cohen & bring in Rod Graves. A few years ago people were stating that Graves was the best young GM ( & first African American GM, I think ) in the NFL. There was some stat or something proving that Graves had the highest pct of players drafted, starting in the NFL ( I think that's what it said ) Remember all the scout/typical GM candidates wanted nothing to do w/Woody. David Caldwell left the Jets at the alter, using them to get a better contract & more control from Jacksonville.

a57se
a57se

@rstysanchz 

I grew up with two older sisters and a mother and I still can't figure out women....

Bent
Bent

@realjetfan If there was any truth to that (and Winslow flat out denied it) I'd imagine that "the word on the street" Rex supposedly alluded to was Gary Myers' article.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Shouldn't a HC get to pick his own staff?

a57se
a57se

@John C 

Well here is someone buying the company line!

Bent
Bent

@jdb7 I guess because he could have extended these guys at that point but chose not to.

bonozoffa
bonozoffa

@djf1 it's not all about idzik. woody is the key here. if the jets go 8-8, woody's making the call, and i give it a better than good chance rex stays. if they go 7-9, then woody defers and idzik makes the call, and it's 50/50 at best.

djf1
djf1

@Ron Alexander@Vinnie Pedi Yeah, I'm ok with trying a different WR coach. 

It's not like that unit has been amazing, even normalizing by the QB performance.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@a57se i hear ya...the verdict is still out on idzick its his first year ever as a gm so i aint saying hes good or bad or if hes going to handle the rex situation good or bad im just wondering why i see in some comments and sometimes the media idzick being labeled as strictly a cap guy when he does have experience on the personnel side too 

djf1
djf1

@Bent@Mark People should show up to the jets offices and re-enact that scene, fake blood and all.

djf1
djf1

@Bent@Mark Great, looking forward to that post on monday...

dylan_f
dylan_f

@bobbyj When he consistently fails to do so well, then no, not necessarily, just like a coach doesn't get to pick his own players. There are a lot of things Rex does well (most importantly making the defense of any team whose staff he's on significantly better than it should be). Picking a staff isn't necessarily one of them. The Jets also haven't exactly spent money on their staff in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised if Rex was never given the option to do something like that.

a57se
a57se

@bobbyj.Yes, that is why that scenario makes no sense.

John C
John C

@a57se @John C why not? Idzik has had a good impact on the franchise so far. I mean come on, the guy inherited a franchise in a dumpster fire, made everyone compete like hell for their jobs at camp and what do you know, we had a half decent season. Rex gets credit there too, but Idzik's impact cant be disregarded.

The cap was also a disaster and he had holmes and some other guys restructure. We are in much better standing now then when he came in, Wouldnt you agree?

I want rex to stay, but I trust that Idzik knows the situation better than I do. Thats all I'm saying. 

Is there any reason to think otherwise? 

John C
John C

@Joseph Covington Woody is? or I am? I just remember Woody tweeting that last year about a week after the jets hired Idzik and it came to my mind when I posted.

I really think that people are jumping the gun on Idzik. Its funny how many people slander his name and he hasn't gotten rid of Rex yet. And nobody knows whats going to happen  because of the 'close to the vest' philosophy that Idzik uses. Yeah, it drives fans mad, but I think that's a much better strategy than the alternative. 

I like what he's done so far, call me crazy. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

Bent I took a lot of heat calling for Whisenhunt to be the next HC, but wouldn't you agree, that if they fired MrT & hired John Idzik that it should be up to Idzik who coaches the team? If they were gonna keep Rex, they should have kept Mr.T. I see Woody as a medeling owner. I want a GM who makes football decisions. I loved the hiring of Rod Graves ( a few years back people were writing that he was the best GM in the NFL ) I think Idzik is a very smart man, we hired him to evaluate the team & make changes. In for a penny in for a pound. Shouldn't Idzik get his shot so that we can see what he is capable of?

bobbyj
bobbyj

Bottom line, what's about to happen is not about Rex, it's about who has controll/say over the Ny Jets. Me I would prefer a lifetime Football man from a football family ( John Idzik/Rod Graves ) be the ones calling the shots, building our roster, over Woody, a billionaire w/no football background. Rex isn't a bad HC ( he's not a great one either, see his clock managment, time out/ challenges usage, pre snap penalties ect ) but this isn't about Rex, this is a referendum on who is making the decisions that effect the play on the field. That's why I'm praying that Rex is gone. I want Idzik to be in complete controll over the NY Jets.

bobbyj
bobbyj

That's what's wrong w/the Jets, Woody...I respect Jerry Jones, there was an artical on the NFL network , where Jones basically defended his stewardship of the Cowboys. Now I don't agree w/the man nor do I think it's in his best intrest to be making decisions that effect the level of play on the field of his football team, but at least he is up front about what he does & how he does it. Woody is a meedleing owner, who wants other people to answer for his decisions. That's why people like David Caldwell rejected his offer. It really irked me that w/Ted Sunquest told the media that Woody ( during his interview to be the GM ) told him that Tim Tebow wasn't his call, that not one reporter asked how that question/statement came to be. What context/ conversation led to that revelation ? Did Sunquest request to have full authority on roster moves? I thought that was a very revealing little statement because it speaks to an air of dysfunction at the top. The GM should get to draft players, & build a team, select his own HC. The HC should get to select/ pick his own staff, decides who plays on the field ect. That's why I feel Rex has to go. It will signify that Idzik is in controll, making decisions, decisions that should be made by football people, not billionaires who think they understand how to build & operate a football team

juunit
juunit

@John C@djf1@a57se@jake100@Joseph Covington 

He's forcing draft picks to play, when if the best option had instead played, we might be talking playoffs right now.

He didn't do anything to get us extra draft picks. Those automatically happen based on players we had that went to other teams. The only pick for 2014 he got us was the completely inadequate 3rd/4th rounder for trading Revis.

You say he has a winning record at his past jobs, but he wasn't the GM, he didn't make any decisions there, so he really doesn't deserve much credit.

Yes, people are including the possibility that he fires Rex to their negative opinion of him. If Rex stays, you'll probably see less people complaining about Idzik.

John C
John C

@a57se @jake100 @Joseph Covington 

and you cant just rant and say he's done nothing, or speculate that he MIGHT fire rex and use that against him. Besides a winning track record everywhere he's ever been. (tampa, az, sea)

John C
John C

@a57se @jake100 @Joseph Covington 

Funny, idzik takes over, fixes the cap, gets us 12 picks for 2014 draft, and have an relatively strong first half of the season with the 2nd round rookie qb, and the season exceeds most analysts expectations. 

Now remind me, why do we want to drive this guy out of town? 


a57se
a57se

@djf1@Bent@Mark 

People should show up at the Jets office BEFORE the game on Sunday and show their support....after the fact is too late!

John C
John C

@Bent @John C @a57se   "You're giving him credit for doing exactly what Tannenbaum had planned to do all along anyway. " ...in terms of the cap, right? I view it as him operating within the confines of what Tanny set up, I don't think there was much more that he could do. 


I seriously doubt that our season would have played out this way with Tannenbaum. By keeping everyone on their toes and through competitive nature he brought to camp, I think Idzik gave our season and glimmer of hope that we otherwise wouldn't have had. So I choose to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. 


Just had a funny thought...what if Goodson stayed healthy? How much would that aquisition have helped our team? Powell exceeded my expectations, but Goodson's ceiling is higher. I really liked the Ivory pick up too. 


I just see many more reasons to like Idzik than not to. The fact that he insists keeping some of these dude's he drafted late on the roster is wack, but that's the only knock I can really see. What am I missing?

Bent
Bent

@John C @a57se  "We are in much better standing now then when he came in, Wouldnt you agree?"


Honestly?  You're giving him credit for doing exactly what Tannenbaum had planned to do all along anyway.  I don't have any criticism of the way Idzik handled the offseason, but the cap situation had plenty of built in flexibility and that is illustrated by how easy it was to fix things without letting too many people go.

bobbyj
bobbyj

What do you think of the Graves hiring/Cohen firing?

bobbyj
bobbyj

So Idzik gets another free year ? This doesn't work out. ( remember we should have lost the Buc game & probally the New England game ) Rex fails next year, who's fault is it? Not to mention you probably need to extend Rex. I think the only reason Rex was retained was because he was owed 6 mil

kevino
kevino

@bobbyj Technically, Mr T got to hire two coaches. I wonder if Woody makes the call to keep Rex, but assures Idzik that he will get to hire his own guy down the road if Rex ultimately doesn't pan out.

Bent
Bent

@bobbyj No idea.  I tend to think Whisenhunt would be a tough sell for the fanbase.


We'll learn about Idzik in due course.