Teams removing themselves from Jackson trade talks

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

Scratch one more city off DeSean Jackson’s list of new teams and another from the group of trade partners for the dynamic Eagles receiver.

ProFootballTalk reports, via a source, that the reigning Super Bowl champs in Seattle have “no interest at all” in Jackson. Meanwhile, NFL Network reported Monday morning that Oakland is “not inclined” to trade for Jackson because they don’t want to give up any draft picks.

The Seahawks were one of the teams linked to Jackson along with the Raiders, Panthers, Niners and Jets. The 49ers have publicly denied interest in Jackson. Jets owner Woody Johnson told reporters last night that his team is interested, but that New York is focusing on the draft — code for not giving up draft picks.

The list of Philadelphia’s trade partners for Jackson seems to be dwindling. No one seems willing to give up a third-round (or any) pick, while also paying Jackson $10.7 million for the 2014 season. With rumors flying over the last three weeks that the Eagles will cut Jackson even if they can’t trade him, Philadelphia’s front office resolve in this matter might be tested soon enough.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

While we get that teams might decline interest in trading for Jackson, one can assume that all bets are off should Jackson get released. Seattle’s entire disinterest is probably genuine. The team committed $67 million to Percy Harvin a year ago and there are negotiations  coming soon with QB Russell Wilson and their star defensive backs Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas. 

The Raiders and Jets have more cap space in 2014 with which to pay Jackson than the Niners or Panthers. Even if the Jets are interested, John Idzik hasn’t demonstrated a willingness to pay more than his competition, so even if Jackson makes it to free agency, don’t expect a reunion with Mornhinweg and Vick as a sure thing.

Should the Eagles release Jackson, expect the receiver to go wherever he gets the most money. While it could happen, don’t expect the Jets to be the team to pay Jackson the most.




161 comments
a57se
a57se

Apparently the SF Chronicle is reporting that the Raiders signed Howard to play Guard???

I really think someone out there is channeling Al Davis......

metsfan04
metsfan04

If no one wants to offer a draft pick for DeSean and the Eagles will just release him if they don't find a trade partner, why not just offer like a 7th round draft pick? Then they Eagles don't lose him for absolutely nothing, and the acquiring team wouldn't have to wait for him to be released to get in a bidding war.

Ian Grossman
Ian Grossman

Pay the man when was the last time the jets had an explosive offensive weapon who was flashy. Jets need a guy to bring some nasty and some swagger to this team and he is that guy. The cap space is there might as well use it on a guy who will instantly change your offense.

a57se
a57se

Interesting, Tom Savage from Pitt is rumored to be in the mix on Day two of the draft!! 

That is a shocker.....

a57se
a57se

Yay, looks like the Niners are pushing for Jackson!

I hope they get him!

nesboogie
nesboogie

So you guys are saying that in the end, DJax will be a Jet?

rrjm
rrjm

raiders dont want to give up draft picks

Simon Gribben
Simon Gribben

Great player, a tough, nasty receiver; however, a combination of Pay-Me-Mevis and Diva-Tone, all in one package.  The only way they "buy" him is with an iron clad no BS contract that he has to give up his 1st born if he turns into exactly who he is; a talented whore.  But aren't all us wage slaves?  Some more than others.

greggreen
greggreen

The more i think about it the more it seems that getting jackson in general would be a complete 180 on what we think ( key work being think, because we actually have no idea )idzik is trying to build. Building from the draft and having a deep balanced team while retaining home grown talent doesnt seem to fit with paying a wide out, drafted by another team 10 mil a year. 

rrjm
rrjm

panthers no longer interested in him either. 

funkymonk
funkymonk

Regarding Woody making comments about D-Jax: sigh, why can't owners just keep their mouths shut? I happen to like Woody; he's a million times the owner that Hess was, and has been willing to put his money where his mouth is to try and bring home the Lombardi. He also doesn't seem to particularly meddle in his GM's affairs (I never believed the rumors that he was the force behind the Tebow trade). But really, just keep quiet about player moves and let Idzik handle it. "We're always looking to add talent to our team, but I can't comment on any specific players, particularly players under contract with other teams." That's all you ever need to say.

gusto
gusto

Watching the Idzik interview on the team's website yesterday, I heard Idzik say something really interesting. He spoke about creating a mutually beneficial contract that let's the player see the end of the deal (as opposed to a backloaded deal filled with money the player never sees). If Eric Decker saw 35 million, I wouldn't be surprised if DJax saw a little more than the same money from the Jets. Maybe $40 million over 5 years, or $33M over 4. DeSean Jackson can set his market at 11-12M all he wants, but if nobody is willing to pay that, of course he'll come down and accept the best offer. At the end of all of this, I think DeSean Jackson is a Jet and that this happens before/during OTAs if Philly wants him gone as badly as they say they do.

What's more interesting to me is the Draft in May. My favorite player for the 18th pick right now is Kyle Fuller. The kid runs a 4.4 flat, hits like a LB, (he actually played LB for a game against Georgia Tech this season) and rivals Dennard as the draft's best cover corner. If that's a Rex Ryan kinda player, I don't know who is. We can still go receiver/tight end in the 2nd as it's possible that both Allen Robinson and Troy Niklas will be available at 50. But Fuller will most likely be there at 18 and I think the pick should be between him, Barr, and Beckham Jr should we not land Jackson.

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

Who are we going to get with our first, second, or third round pick that will be better than Jackson?

a57se
a57se

  The problem with trading for Jackson is that he is not happy with his contract. That would have to be resolved BEFORE a trade could be finalized and it seems like Jackson wants to be a free agent rather than be tied to one team by a trade. Jackson has the leverage here.

So it isn't so simple as let's just offer the Eagles such and such.

The Eagles wouldn't cut him until after the draft more than likely as they will hold out the hope of a trade until that hope is gone......

(This is just my speculation.)

metjetnet
metjetnet

@a57se Either that, or they've found some 6'9", 400 lb. tackle to put next to him... 

but they've probably sprinkled Al's ashes on the team meal...

__fense
__fense

@metsfan04  The only downside is that you have to go by his current deal if you trade for him, and if Idzik doesn't like the current contract, then he wouldn't do it for any picks.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Where are you hearing that?  I find that exceedingly unlikely, they'd have to smash their salary cap, which has been carefully crafted to fit in all the upcoming extensions.


Maybe if he was cut on a discount because they're a contender, but I don't see them paying him full price and jeopardizing their chances of retaining their nucleus.

funkymonk
funkymonk

@Simon Gribben  Yes, I could see Idizk giving him a contract theoretically worth a lot, but with few guarantees: workout bonus, per-game bonus, etc. Such that he gets paid, but the team can still cut bait if he's whining instead of playing. Similar to the contract Bucs gave Revis last year.


But the more I think about it, the less I think Idzik is interested in signing a player with D-Jax's demeanor.

a57se
a57se

@funkymonk  

I agree 100%........Owners should be seen and not heard.

Richard Freudenberg
Richard Freudenberg

@gusto think gilbert or dennard would be a way better fit in rex scheme and gilbert is th best man to man /press man corner in the draft and that is what rex is all about leaving his corners on an island to do whta theyare suppsedt o do and lets our safeties help the linebackers coveringt he TE and RB's ....they kno what they ared oin and rex doesnt need cornere like everyone is saying ...in balt his d was built around a nasty front 7 which ise xactly whatt he jets now have rex has already converted his d from  when we had revis to what he used in balt

a57se
a57se

@Ceifus Hornswoggle  

Who are we going to get for a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick who is going to cost $10.75 Million and be a diva?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  


I would say your speculation is probably reasonable.


The Texans and Raiders just pulled off the trade-and-restructure with Schaub so it can happen in practice.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@a57se  seems like a Revis situation in that the Eagles will allow DeSean to negotiate a new deal with the team before a trade

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se  

Rotoworld....


According to ProFootballTalk, the 49ers are "very interested" in DeSean Jackson.

Predictably, GM Trent Baalke's denial on this matter carries little weight. The Niners have been aggressively trying to upgrade their receiving corps this offseason, as they reportedly pursued free agents Golden Tate, Julian Edelman and Hakeem Nicks. Jackson, a California native who played his college ball at Cal, would bring a long speed dimension to a unit that currently features possession guys in Michael Crabtree and Anquan Boldin. The Eagles' asking price on D-Jax is likely sinking as they've exposed their hand. No one around the league believes there's any way he's back in Philly.

__fense
__fense

@funkymonk @Simon Gribben  His current deal is exactly like Revis's contract with the Bucs last year, only for $6m less a year and for one less year, and he doesn't even need to agree to it, because it's his current deal.

Marvel
Marvel

@a57se

 If I own a team I can do what I want.


Woody is no Dolan, He may speak but he let's the people he hires do the work.


greggreen
greggreen

@Bent @a57se  well if true that chances things i wouldnt want to give him anything more then hes making right now.

harold
harold

@a57se @Bent

I think the main issue is Desean likely wants guaranteed moeny.  He knows his current contract does not have any wants to get an upfront bonus and guarantees for future years.

The Jets could simply add on a dummy year for cap purposes and give him a signing bonus withy limited cap hits after 2015 or they can simply convert his salary to a roster bonus like with Cro to give him some relief from his reported financial issues.

I like the trade if we give up a 5th or 6th rounder.  We secure the player and can make the contract work under our current and future cap considerations.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Buzz on Twitter, FB, sports news publications...not just TJB. 


They're trying to create a market when the real one is dwindling. Like I said, it likely wouldn't push someone like Idzik into action, but as we've seen Idzik is a lot more meticulous than other GM's. All you need is one dummy. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Well if the Eagles were trying to create buzz on the Jets Blog, they succeeded....if they were trying to motivate another NFL franchise to step up its' bid in case SF was really pushing, I'd say they failed because NFL teams should know who is capable of of what when it comes to the Cap.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Is it, though? That rumor just got a fair number of comments on a Jets blog, which is the type of buzz you'd be hoping for if you're trying to create leverage out of thin air. 


Now, do I think that would pressure Idzik into action? Absolutely not. But it's not the worst idea in the world to pick a team that's considered "one piece away" as a possible destination. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Maybe it was leaked by the Eagles to try and create leverage?

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

After looking at the 49'ers cap for 2014, this report seems really far fetched. They are only $4 million under the cap right now and even if they cut Carlos Rogers and Frank Gore, they would free up a little over $11 million.

That would barely be enough to cover Jacksons' contract......

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  I don't know if they "pursued" any of those guys.  My understanding was that they just inquired much like the Jets are reported to have done with a lot of guys.  Also, they all earn about half of what Jackson will.


I'll see if I can find anything out.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se This rumor brought to you by Complete And Utter Disregard For Salary Cap. 

Marvel
Marvel

@funkymonk

 All owners talk, plus he said nothing wrong imo. But your mind seems made up, we'll just disagree on this one.

funkymonk
funkymonk

@Marvel  Obviously he can do whatever he wants. But the successful owners tend to be the ones who stay behind the scenes. I don't see how publicly saying we're interested (and skirting the tampering rules) can possibly benefit the team in trying to land D-Jax.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@jaygo @Bent @a57se  I wouldn't be shocked. I expect that that's the case (And would anticipate that the Eagles part of the deal is done, tbh).

__fense
__fense

@levi @harold  That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He wants to get paid, why would he intentionally making yourself seem worse in the eyes of teams help you do that? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@greggreen @Bent @a57se @harold  We did a "sign-and-extension" with Jenkins and Jones but that's slightly different because you're giving them more money...although that may be what DeSean wants, I'm not sure that fits in with the team's plans.


With Cro they just fronted him some of the salary as an advance.  It wasn't really a restructure.

harold
harold

@greggreen

Yes, it was mentioned above.  I think an act of goodwill can go a long way.

harold
harold

@levi

I think if we don't give him the guaranteed money in future years he would continue to produce.  If not you can cut him in a year or two.

harold
harold

@a57se

That would also be the endpoint for pretty much all teams, imo.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

What if he wants a Mike Wallace contract? Desean Jackson has better numbers than Wallace.....

5 years, $60 million with 30 guaranteed and an $11 million dollar bonus?

that may be his starting point.

levi
levi

@harold  Im less worried about him holding out than I am with him dogging it.

harold
harold

@a57se

This is not the old days, you hold out and your are subject to hefty fines that will be imposed.   Lastly why would he hold out when he is scheduled to receive 10 million plus in guaranteed salary under my scenario?

I don't see that as a likely scenario.

harold
harold

@a57se

You act as though he determines if he will be traded.  He does not and would have to honor his contract.  You are ignoring this point.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

The jets have no leverage.

If jackson wants to be a free agent, he just has to make it clear he won't report if traded......no team will trade for someone who won't report.

harold
harold

@a57se

It is a common scenario and one I think he would/could accept.  If not you can always extend him as I stated and give him a dummy year.

Lastly Decker was a F/A Jackson is not so the leverage is still with the Jets and this is a pretty good compromise.  

a57se
a57se

@harold  

I am not trying to discredit your scenarios...I just don't see why Jackson would accept them....I would think he would do much better as a free agent.

harold
harold

@johnnyI65

I mentioned two scenarios one where he is given an extension and guaranteed money.  And one where we just convert his salary this year into a roster bonus so he gets guaranteed cash.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se@harold 

I get that but why would that be enticing to jackson? there is no security beyond this year and no real commitment from the team.......Decker got more guaranteed than that and Jackson is > than Decker, no?

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @harold  He likely would demand guaranteed money in any new deal even if he was willing to stay at the same salary.

harold
harold

His contract is 10.5 million, I believe.  The 250k is a workout bonus.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @harold  


Harold is suggesting paying him the same amount, just bring some of it forwards.


Like 8m now as a roster bonus and the other 2.75m as salary and workout bonuses.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

If it is upfront cash Jackson is seeking, why would he want less then what his current contract has him making this year? (He is due to make $10.75 Million)

Decker has more guaranteed money than that and I would think Jackson believes he is worth more than Decker......

harold
harold

@a57se

It gets him a guaranteed 10.5 million in the bank.

That is as much as a signing bonus in many cases.  It gives the sides time to work out a deal in 2015 if they decide they want to get something long term done.  While also giving Desean the upfront cash he seems to be craving.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

It does take two to tango and why would Jackson find that kind of transparent deal appealing?

harold
harold

@Bent

I mentioned that as well and think because the rest of his salary would still not be guaranteed that may be the best option for the us if we acquire him.

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  They could maybe even just pay him a roster bonus upfront and then keep the cap hits the same.