The Rundown: You better have two

NFL: Miami Dolphins at New York Jets

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

For the last twenty years, the NFL’s conventional wisdom has said that to be a perennial contender a team needs to find a franchise quarterback to run the ever-increasing pass happy NFL. This season, while quarterbacks are still the apex predators of the NFL, watching teams like the Redskins, Packers, Bears, Rams, Texans and Eagles all wrestle with either performance or injury problems when it came to their franchise quarterbacks, there’s something to be learned.

Eagles coach Chip Kelly is smart as a whip and is nothing if not unconventional. Nick Foles sure seems like a long-term option for the Eagles, but here is what Kelly said two days ago, to the Eagles official website (via SportsMole), about the quarterback position and his team.

It’s a very, very difficult position to play. Everybody is hitting you, and they’re protected by rules but they also still take some unbelievable shots.

I think, if you’re going to last as a team, you’d better have two.

Kelly makes a valid point especially in an era where the NFL is using more option plays from the quarterback spot. Geno Smith has shown that while he wants to make the play work from the pocket, picking up yards on the ground can be crucial to keeping the offense going. And if Geno is doing that, there’s a risk involved.

With a very low cap number assigned to the starting quarterback and plenty of cap room in 2014, will the Jets consider using some space to help fortify their quarterback play regardless of whether the QB1 or QB2 is in the game?

As we look ahead to 2014, who should that second quarterback option be for the Jets?  Dom Cosentino at the Star-Ledger came up with his list of potential competitors to Smith and here’s ours.

Already with the team:

NFL: Miami Dolphins at New York JetsMatt Simms — Along with the news that the Jets are planning on re-signing Matt Simms, Simms demonstrated some big improvements during the 2013 training camp. The team obviously felt confident in naming him as the team’s two for much of the season. Simms has a live arm that can get the ball downfield and that coupled with his mechanical improvements to help him be more accurate. Simms saw time during the season and looked decent at times but would get bogged down after a few series in replacement of Smith.

David Garrard — Garrard is a free agent but he admitted in December that the team asked him back for 2014 already. He seemed standoffish about the matter so we will see how things play out. Garrard might be a fine mentor/coach, but his gameday inactivity speaks volumes about his ability to actually contribute at this point of his career on the field come Sundays.

Projected free agency / cuts:

Sam Bradford (cut) — Bradford has demonstrated he is injury prone, and with the second overall pick (via the Redskins), the the Rams will have the opportunity to take one of the draft’s top quarterbacks if they choose. Bradford has a large cap number this season and if he is unwilling to take a paycut he might likely be cut himself. At times, Bradford has demonstrated himself to be a talented player  and could offer a legitimate competition to Smith.

NFL: Dallas Cowboys at Chicago BearsJosh McCown (free agency) — McCown might be 35 but played pretty well for the Bears in replacement of Jay Cutler. McCown completed an impressive 66.5 percent of his throws, had 13 TDs to just one INT. McCown flourished in Trestman’s spread ‘em out offense and some of those principles could be applied to what Mornhinweg does in New York.

Matt Moore (cut) — Moore is under contract for 2014, but with a new GM coming into Miami the high paid backup could be expendable as Tannehill has demonstrated competence. Moore can be a spot starter when required but would not be a challenger to Smith as the team’s 16 game starter.

Mike Vick (free agency) — Having run it for a few years in Philly, Vick would be very familiar with Mornhinweg’s system and could be a plug and play addition. Vick would like to keep playing as long as possible but must know that it will be increasingly hard for him to be a full-time starter going forward. Still, Vick and Smith’s athleticism and arm strength would allow for some continuity in the scheme and play of the offense should one need to sit for the other.

QB Free Agents: OverTheCap
Salary Cap Cuts: OverTheCap

2014 NFL Draft:

NCAA Football: Russell Athletic Bowl-Miami vs LouisvilleThere’s so many variables that would play into this, but many projections show that there could be three to five quarterbacks taken in the first round alone and eight total quarterbacks might be gone by the end of the third round — there’s some talent in this class.

Teddy Bridgewater and Johnny Manziel will be the names that everyone talks about, but Bridgewater could go first overall to Houston while Manziel’s stock is all over the place. Even so, but I would expect Manziel will be long gone by the time the Jets pick.

The Jets have some severe needs at the wide receiver and tight end spots that could be filled well in the first round or two. As it looks right now wnless a dream situation plays out for the Jets, drafting a first round QB could be a long shot. Though the Jets could very well add a quarterback on day two or early day three … as a number of potential fits for the Jets might be available later.




103 comments
frustjetfn
frustjetfn

All this talk about bringing a QB in and competition for the starting job is BS, the reality of the situation is quite different. The reality then is :

1- The Jets asked Garrard back even though they demonstrated over the past 16 games that he is unusable to them on the field. So much so that even when they had to pull Geno for incompetence, they would not use him.

2- The Jets don't view Simms as a viable starter. Even when they had to pull Geno because he was embarrassing himself and the team they went back to Geno when the starting score was 0-0 (i.e., the next game).


3. Despite what the Jets claim, Geno is their starter and unofficial franchise QB. The only differences between the Jets policy with Sanchez and Geno is the team openly conveyed the hope that Sanchez was the future. 


4. Reality shows that the team gave both Sanchez and Geno 16 games to "develop" as a rookie. But while Sanchez took the Jets to an AFC Championship Game with a stronger offensive team & making fewer mistakes, Geno scrapped out an 8-8 record with a weaker offense and some atrocious games. So comparing Sanchez and Geno unemotionally, despite starting only a few games in college, Sanchez was the better QB.


5. I believe the Jets pattern is set. They are repeating the same process they followed with Sanchez, but cannot designate Geno as the franchise without a similar running game, OL and results that they had in 2009.  So in 2014 they will draft additional weapons, start Geno another 16 games and prey for enough positive results to dedicate the next two development years to Geno (a repeat of Sanchez' 2011 & 2012 years).


6. By the end of 2016 we'll know if repeating the 4 year developmental cycle the Jets use to find a franchise QB is successful. It failed with Sanchez, but maybe they'll get lucky with Geno. But whatever happens, it should look very familiar to Jets fans.

madbacker
madbacker

@Bent

I know this is a different  posting but the cunningham move confuses me greatly. I am hoping you have some info on it. Is there any talk of Barnes or O'Canada not coming back? Why pick Cunnigham over a guy like Sapp or Worilds who offer more to the team? Also with Pace turning in one of his best career years what (If any) is the word on his status with the team? 


Secondly,what are your thoughts on the idea of getting a guy like Eugene Monroe, Micheal Oher or Rodgers Safford; even-though they have been tackles to this point in their careers. Could easily move in to play LG and would have a larger impact on the O than any rookie/2 year player we currently have on the team. I highlight these two because, I know Schwartz has been discussed and personally knowing him. I do think he would be a great value pick up for the team I believe Oher, Stafford and Monroe are superior players. Also i historical tackles play better as guards, example Willie Colon. your thoughts on these items?

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

Please I know everyone is talking about how shotgun snaps helped Geno but go look at his receivers for game logs and you tell me when Kerley and Nelson were both playing he didn't play not average but GOOD. Go look at he last 4 games and the amount of the times he got hit as apposed to the 4 before those ..

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

Hypothetical - if Sanchez would come back on a minimum deal, would you bite? Too much drama, or a good backup?

Bent
Bent moderator

I thought the phrase was if you have two quarterbacks you have none?

SackDance99
SackDance99

Tre Mason is coming out and the rumor is Devonta Freeman will, too.  Maybe my hope of the Jets' drafting a poor man's Shady McCoy will come true.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples 

So the Mangina is one of the greatest football minds of our generation, Vernon Gholston wasn't really a bust, Jason Trusnik is an all time great, Chad Henne is the next Dan Marino, Matt Barkley is the best QB on the Eagles, Rex Ryan is the worst coach in the history of football, David Harris is the best ILB in football, Elvis is really still alive, The Earth is really Flat, We never really landed on the Moon and JFK was assassinated by a combination of the KGB, the Mafia and the Boy Scouts of America!

OK, thanks for posting!


djf1
djf1

@frustjetfn sanchez didn't have atrocious games? I guess five picks is an ok game.

harold
harold

@frustjetfn


Where are your facts.  I didn't see any.


Geno more yards, total TD's, higher completion percentage and higher Total QBR.  You must be grading on a curve.



P.S. I posted many other facts at the bottom of the page in response a57se. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@madbacker @Bent Moving a tackle inside later in their career is often a smart move.  I'm not sure which of those three would be best equipped to do it.  However, that tends to be a move teams make when they're on the hook to pay such guys and still want to bleed what production they can from them as their skills deteriorate.  It's not the kind of thing where you'd give them a big money deal and then move them.


Barnes will be back, not sure about McIntyre.  Plenty of room on the roster to fit a guy like Cunningham and it doesn't guarantee his place on the team or anything.  I'd still view him as a longshot.


If they hadn't lost Ricky to Houston, he'd still be there as Cunningham was just a replacement once he was swiped.

Bent
Bent moderator

@JCuratola3 


They were both in the lineup during weeks 6-9 when Geno struggled (highest QB rating just 71.2).


The best splits come when Kerley and Holmes were both in the lineup.  Seven games with 68.6 in one and the rest all 79.2 or above.  (5-2 record, too).

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Stanley BostitchIt's time to say goodbye.  Plus, at this point, Geno and Simms are ahead of him in their knowledge of MM's WCO, so I don't see the value-added.  He's not a good teacher, can't lead by example, and wouldn't be a viable starting option with the fan base.

a57se
a57se

@Stanley Bostitch 

Depends on what MM thought of him. He had enough time working with him to at least form an initial opinion on the guy. if he thought he was a good fit for his offense, I would sign him.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100Vick as a back up and mentor to Geno, however, makes a lot of sense.  He knows MM's system, in fact his best season came under MM, and health isn't as much of a concern when you're talking back up QB.  As for the circus, isn't Vick and animal cruelty really old news?  He returned to the NFL in 2009...that's like a century ago in today's media cycle.


I'd prefer Jake McCown or a soon-to-be-cut Matt Schaub, but Vick will likely sign for the vet minimum, with extra cash if he ends up starting.  The other guys will want more $$$, especially McCown.  Idzik saw Seattle get burned with Flynn, so I don't see him giving out lots of cash to someone who likely will be on the bench.

gbrownn
gbrownn

Is Vick really washed up though? His skills are DEFINETLY in decline but I wouldn't go as far as saying washed up. I think of it like this, If Geno would go down, would I rather have Vick, Hill, or Mccown in the game? I say Vick simply for because he is more talented than those guys. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Hill or Mccown type either way.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@djf1@frustjetfnNever said Sanchez didn't have an atrocious game so you implied it b/c I DID say Geno had some atrocious games. Sanchez did have bad games, but never had to be pulled in the middle of them. So if you're comparing bad game to bad game, you can't b/c Geno was pulled when self-destructing. If left in after having 3 turnovers would he have finished with 5 or 6? Who knows and who cares?


The issue for me is that the Jets are following the same development cycle with Geno that they followed with Sanchez. So if they add a vet QB this year he will be no more of a threat to Geno than Mark Brunell was to Sanchez.


Doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

You were not posting here back in 2009, were you?

There was a lot more excitement about Sanchez' potential then there is now about Geno. He was the no. 5 pick in the draft and the Jets were celebrating having just beaten the Bengals (5 years ago to the day) in a game where Sanchez passed for 182 yards and a TD for a 139.4 QB Rating.

  In Retrospect, Sanchez was a bum but at the time everyone was doing the same thing you and SD and others are doing. Pointing out every little positive thing they could find that said Sanchez was improving and that Sanchez would eventually become the QB we wanted.

   You can go down that path all you want, those of us who have already been there and are quick studies don't want to repeat the same mistakes.

Let's draft a QB with one of our 12 picks and bring in some competition before we end up rebooting in another 3 years.


frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@haroldSanchez had a Regular Season QTR of 31.5 and a Post Season QTR of 75.4. Geno had a Reg Season QTR of 35.9. So they both sucked in Regular Season but as Rex and company liked to point out as rationale for starting him for 4 years, he went to the AFC Championship Game and actually performed well in those games.


However, my point is that the Jets are following the identical process with Geno as they did with Sanchez (i.e., betting the team's future on a QB before he has earned that loyalty). In my book, that is a mistake. Like any foolish bet, you may win but it's not a wise move.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

Making mountains out of molehills....aka finding silver linings!

Pat d
Pat d

Sorry to break the news but the fan base have nothing to do with viable starting options. If they do the Jets are in worse shape than any of us could imagine.

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @jake100 He lives in Colorado too, where real weed IS legal (isn't it?)

gbrownn
gbrownn

Ah Good point! I forgot Idzik was there was when Flynn was signed. Hopefully he's frugal and smart when he's targeting backup Qbs. Im all for the idea of a vet backup, I really am. But we have far more pressing needs in my opinion. So hopefully Idzik spends accordingly.

And I think Vick really has cleaned up his image in terms of the media. He has been doing a whole lot of image rehab and volunteer chairty work in his community so I think the "circus" atmosphere he would bring is a little overblown. It's the NY media though so who the hell really knows.

harold
harold

@a57se@harold


I have been here since the beginning I used to post under Big Har.  So I remember how people felt.  However you all missing the boat.  You have a better prospect but somehow you are less enthused makes little sense

harold
harold

@frustjetfn@harold


I let you know your facts were wrong so again you post facts which mean nothing post season stats.


Fact: The Jets had a far better team and only won one more game because Sanchez only had 3 games all season with a QBR over 70.  Geno had 5 such games. 


Geno had a better season just on a far worst team.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Well, if Kerley and Holmes played 16 games each and Geno maintained that level of play, that would say a lot about both him and our receiver corps.

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se 

For someone so dumb, she has done alright for herself.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent It's Jessica Simpson.  She's pretty dumb.

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se 

Apparently the word Gy gets trapped in pending post-ville.
There
is
nothing
dumb
about
that
picture
Bent!


joemustgo
joemustgo

@rkymtnjet Agreed. He has shown a lack of maturity and judgement his whole career. I would part ways with him unless we are desperate at the position.

juunit
juunit

@Bent@juunit@jake100 

That was medical though. I don't think they've made an episode about the legalization in Colorado yet. And they probably won't for a while with their new studio taking away from the amount of time they spend on the show. I don't think the newest season will be coming any time soon. 

RockyMountainJet
RockyMountainJet

@Bent @juunit @jake100 


Legal under state law - yes.

Legal under federal law - no. 


Winslow is an idiot.

a57se
a57se

@Bent

I guess if I was a part of this generation, I would probably love it but my generation is the one that came before such shows. I don't relate to it very well.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent It's absolutely brilliant.  At it's best, South Park is the most cutting edge, inventive and hilarious show on TV and arguably the best social commentary of this generation.


If you've written it off as a juvenile toilet humor cartoon, then that's your loss.

a57se
a57se

@Bent

Glad I missed that episode........

As a matter of fact, glad I missed all the episodes!

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @Bent @jake100 My knowledge on the subject is pretty much limited to that South Park episode where Randy carries his balls around in a wheelbarrow.

a57se
a57se

@jake100

Hey joey, if I didn't like you I wouldn't warn you about your pitch count, I'd be baiting you into commenting too much.........chew on that a minute.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99BTW, did the last sentence really add anything substantive?  I didn't think that was relevant for his player personnel duties.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent@a57se@SackDance99Not fair, he did scout the Ivy League!

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @SackDance99 


Cut and pasted from the media's version of what his role was:


"Salary cap compliance, contract negotiations, bean counting, doing the filing, making spreadsheets, never talking to anyone, leaving the room whenever college film is being reviewed, having nothing to do with personnel, reading legal journals, pretending to understand whenever anyone starts talking about anything technical relating to the on-field action, making powerpoint presentations and taking credit for the work of others"

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se  

I was just going to copy and paste the same description of Idzik's functions.

He wouldn't of had as much input as I thought but he would have been involved in the contract negotiations..

Here is a fuller version:

  With Seattle, Idzik oversees player negotiations, the team’s compliance with the NFL salary cap, player personnel transactions, all football operations budgets, staff and team contracts, team travel and most aspects of the day-to-day football operations while also remaining active in player evaluations. In addition, he serves as the club’s primary liaison to the NFL Office and represents the club at League meetings.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @a57se They still seem to be doing that.  Nearly every guy they sign seems to be a guy they were linked with in the draft process.  Must be an organizational policy rather than a Tannenbaum trait.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99But, scouting reports at the college level become the foundation for a team's file on all players, something that was apparent in "Collision Low Crossers" because the Jets tended to try to get pro players that they had evaluated positively coming out of college.

In any event, Idzik's official Seattle description sounds like he had minimal input on player evaluation, but had more input on the contract/compliance side:


With Seattle, Idzik oversees player negotiations, the team’s compliance with the NFL salary cap, player personnel transactions, all football operations budgets, staff and team contracts, team travel and most aspects of the day-to-day football operations while also remaining active in player evaluations.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @SackDance99 He might have had a hand in the deal that Flynn got, which turned out to be an overpayment.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

I don't think Idzik handled College scouting but I am pretty sure he handled Pro personnel.....

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@gbrownnWhatever the titles, Idzik wasn't the main front office poo-bah and he wasn't on the player evaluation side, like Bradway was under Tanny.  So, I doubt that Idzik was responsible for signing Flynn.  For all we know, he could've been against it, which is a reasonable conclusion in that Flynn was available and he didn't bite.

a57se
a57se

@gbrownn 

Seattle doesn't use the traditional titles other organizations do....I think that translates to what I said....bent would know.

gbrownn
gbrownn

Im not sure how credible WIkipedia is. But it says his title was Vice President of Football Admin. Sounds like he had more to do with the business aspect of the Seahawks then he did the Scouting. You could be right though

a57se
a57se

@gbrownn 

I thought he was the director of Pro Personnel.....if that is true, it would have been his job to screen all NFL personnel and recommend guys for the Seahawks to pursue.

gbrownn
gbrownn

Maybe, Im not sure. Im really not too positive of what Idzik did and didn't control in Seattle.