What I Saw at Training Camp: Defense, Day One

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The first day of training camp is always a deluge for me.  We’ll be rolling out lots more content on the site through the weekend as we spend time in Cortland, but here’s a first pass at what stuck out at us from the first practice.  First up, defense.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

DE Jason Babin makes it official, clouds concern on when Barnes will return

With Antonio Cromartie out of the picture this year, the team’s secondary is younger and, as a result, will need to do their best to pressure the quarterback to add “suppressing fire!!!” for their defensive backs. The Jets signing of Jason Babin indicates to me that Antwan Barnes might still have some road ahead of him before he is ready to step back out onto the field. Recovering from an ACL tear is never easy for NFLers and the team seems to be hedging their bets in finding a situational pass rusher. Consensus on the sidelines is that Babin will still be on the roster come cutdowns. We’ll have to see how he looks, but unless he’s fallen far (he still had 7.5 sacks last year) from last year, the Jets can find a spot for him. Rex didn’t put a timeline on Barnes’ recovery, but did say it would be “slower” when compared to Willie Colon.

Platoon play rules the day at safety

Get ready for a lot of Safety Dance headlines. The Jets were rotating rookie Calvin Pryor, Antonio Allen and Dawan Landry early in work with the first team. For now, the Jets aren’t showing their hand about their intent, other than they like their top three safeties. “We’re deep,” Rex said, when asked about his safeties. Rex knows with young players “I want to keep ‘Double-A’ humming … but not … cheat Landry of [practice snaps].” Rex has loved using the Big Nickel before in the past and while he might get there, he seems content to experiment with different looks early on in camp.

Is it coming together for CB Kyle Wilson?

I didn’t get a chance to watch Wilson extensively during practice today, but he was playing physical football and not backing down. In on one-on-one I saw between him and David Nelson, Wilson stood his ground with the much larger (and rangier) Nelson before the receiver got away with a slight push to create space to catch the pass. Later, in the press room, Rex said that Kyle Wilson “could give a dissertation” on every role and responsibility in the defensive backfield. Last year Wilson led the league in coverage snaps per reception in the slot according to Pro Football Focus; that wasn’t a happy accident considering how much the secondary struggled last year. Rex Ryan and the coaches have been waiting for Wilson to step forward and he seems to be doing it. Don’t forget that this is the last year of his rookie contract … will Wilson make a case on why the Jets should keep him around?

Risk Versus Reward

If you spend three minutes with Dexter McDougle, you can understand why the Jets would elect to use their third round pick on him. McDougle ended practice with an extremely instinctive and athletic jumped route on Tajh Boyd, who was throwing to Shaq Evans along the sideline. The rookie is a smaller corner than they’ve sought in recent years, but his speed is sudden and his instincts are excellent.  McDougle has been happy with seeing reps all over the field, but predominantly in the slot.  McDougle’s a technician and seems to be able to do the back-of-the-envelope math on calculating risk versus reward and he explained it after practice on jumping the route”I was playing off coverage and the receiver ran a comeback. The quarterback was rolling out to my side and when [the receiver] ran the comeback I jumped.”

I questioned McDougle about what happens if he gambles wrong.   “If you attack the outside shoulder, he is going to turn right into you. I saw the ball and broke on it. I was pretty confident that I was going to get it.”

Get it he did … and does.


Lightning round

  • You know how good the defensive line is and your football jones didn’t need me telling you that today.  I barely watched them but I think we can assume they were awesome.
  • It made news that Coples lost weight, but wow does he look like a man tranformed. Not that he was ever heavy for his size, but you can see how lean he looks compared to two years ago.
  • WR Michael Campbell was not pleased with Ras-I Dowling on a sideline coverage drill.  Campbell must have felt that Dowling somehow interfered with him on a rout, but the ref was right there and didn’t blow the whistle.
  • Dimitiri Patterson is playing the second cornerback spot across from Dee Milliner.  To be honest I didn’t see much right or wrong from Patterson and will focus on him tomorrow.
  • Jaiquawn Jarrett had a nice shoestring interception on Mike Vick.  Rex later explained that the fault was that of the receiver who stopped his route short.  Rex beamed that Vick was nonplussed by the matter and didn’t mind taking the blame though it was clearly on the receiver.

 




81 comments
Marvel_
Marvel_

Also, I wonder if Simms vs Boyd is a fair fight, Rex seems to have a preference.


Any chance we carry 3 qbs and Boyd goes to the PS ?

Marvel_
Marvel_

O.T


But Ray Rice should be banned from football, yet he gets 2 games? 


Sorry but it's sickening.. He needs to tear an ACL or two.

Kevin Harris
Kevin Harris

Definition of nonplussed in English:

nonplussed

Line breaks: non|plussed

Pronunciation: /nɒnˈplʌst /

ADJECTIVE

1So surprised and confused that one is unsure how to react:

Henry looked completely nonplussed

Brendan
Brendan

Lol, Tannenbaum thinks the Jets will use Vick like a Wildcat QB? 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Marvel_

Any chance we carry 3 qbs and Boyd goes to the PS ?

That's what I think should happen.  I think the Jets like Boyd,  but Simms is better right now.  Which team would pluck him off the practice squad and make him active for the rest of the season.  If somebody liked him enough to begin with,  they would have drafted him before the 6th round.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Kevin Harris Yeah, that's what it's supposed to mean, but people have been using it to mean the opposite (ie not that bothered) for so long it's essentially accepted either way.  

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@Brendan They will use him in the read option, but I don't mind if they partially use him that way. Just as long as he doesn't become the punt protector right? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan Eh, read option maybe.  I kinda think his playmaking potential is wasted if he sits on the bench all season.


Doubt Marty would run wildcat with him, given that he used to take Vick OUT to run the wildcat in Philly.

tsjc68
tsjc68

Oh, you sad, pathetic Dolphins.  You don't get upset when PFT ranks you lowly, you brush it off because PFT sucks.

tsjc68
tsjc68

I demand to know who these 92 morons are.

Kevin Harris
Kevin Harris

Yeah, I know.

I'm just old school like that .

Irregardless, I like the dictionary definition better.

tsjc68
tsjc68

"Inflammable" is its own antonym.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Unless Geno is struggling, I would hate to see that. Geno can run the read option well himself, but if they dabble with it in preseason and it appears to work well...I guess it couldn't hurt to try. 


But I'd really hate for the fallback option to Geno got hurt running an option or something. 

__fense
__fense

@Bent @Brendan I heard someone talking about Boyd as a wildcat-esque QB, but not Vick. 

__fense
__fense

@tsjc68 They can't take it seriously when they rank the Jets lowly then. 

Bent
Bent moderator


@tsjc68 We won't truly be able to get a handle on how Jets fans feel about the deal until Joey does a poll with seven responses.

juunit
juunit

@tsjc68 

The first three are OJ Simpson, Aaron Hernandez and Marvin Gaye's father.

Notice a trend? 

__fense
__fense

@tsjc68 Really? I thought it only mean capable of being set on fire.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent If these Jets make the postseason and Vick has hardly played he'll be a heckuva weapon in terms of fresh legs off the bench once they get to that point.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@__fense @tsjc68

Well, some random fans (like us) ridiculing and cross examining PFT or Walter Football or ESPN when they rank us 32nd (on a fan blog message board that exists pretty much for the exact purpose of ridiculing and cross examining other media postings) is a far cry from Woody Johnson calling up Rex Ryan to complain about Walter ranking us too low and asking if the team is really that bad (because he's totally not paying attention, as evidenced by the fact that his GM and Assistant GM are engaged in Game of Thrones-style power struggles under his nose).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@__fense @tsjc68

"inflammable" means both things incapable of being set on fire and things capable of being set on fire.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I would happily revisit this topic if the Jets make it that far. Two QB sets!

__fense
__fense

@Bent @__fense @Brendan They could pull a Tebow and have Boyd be the active one unless Geno gets hurt, and if that happens then Vick would start the next game. It's not very likely, especially because having boyd be a wildcat QB is a dumb idea, of course. 

juunit
juunit

@tsjc68 @juunit 

Should add a 4th name to the list: the Vikings new stadium. Apparently it's going to murder thousands of birds. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent I still want them to run the triple wing.  With all three QBs?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit @tsjc68

http://deadspin.com/audubon-society-calls-new-vikings-stadium-a-deathtrap-1609605076


I'm surprised they're balking at installing the anti-bird-death features.


I mean, I know that they don't want to spend a dime more than absolutely necessary, but if you're smart, you'll realize this is absolutely necessary, because you don't really want to be the team tied to the stadium that becomes famous for killing tons of birds.  Not just because people will protest, but because it's horrible PR and totally icky and there will be some fans who refuse to come to a building where dead birds are prone to be lying on the roof mid-game.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Haha, I'd be willing to let them do that just to see what happens. People would lose their minds one way or the other. 

juunit
juunit

@Bent @__fense @Brendan 

Boyd? Speed wise he's probably slower than Smith. But Boyd's real value as a runner was always in short yardage, between the tackles situations. I'd think he pretty clearly has the edge on inside runs over Smith. 

juunit
juunit

@tsjc68 @juunit 

My issue is, the Audubon Society is saying it'll happen, but I don't see any kind of evidence that the stadium is in fact in a migratory hot zone. I would also think they're not qualified to estimate the true cost of changing the plans at this stage in the process to include the "bird safe" glass.

The Vikings are probably thinking these are just a bunch of hippies worrying about an issue that isn't even necessarily an issue. And they might be right. 

__fense
__fense

@tsjc68 @juunit It sounds to me like the bird safety features will make the glass walls and ceiling look less cool. They don't give a damn about spending the city's money, and that's who would pay for these changes. Now, cosmetics isn't really a good reason when you consider the aesthetics of dead birds, but you get my point.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @juunit After the fans finish mobilizing to protest Vick, they will march on the Vikings

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @Bent @__fense @Brendan In the CFL they often bring on a specialist to QB sneak on 3rd and one.  I'd be all for giving Boyd that role if you think he'd be good at it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@__fense

I just think that "dead birds strafed across our glass ceiling roof" will look less cool than "some weird anti-bird poles and lights mounted atop our glass ceiling roof".

juunit
juunit

@Bent @juunit @__fense @Brendan 

I think Clemson was too conservative and overused it. But he was pretty successful at getting the 1st. 

I guess the problem would be they'd have to let him pass sometimes too, otherwise it'd be too obvious/easy to stop. He was good at it, but it's not like he's 275 pounds and can consistently break tackles from 300+ pound guys.


I wouldn't be particularly surprised to see him in the personal punt protector role though...