Quote: Can the Jets slow Josh Gordon?

“I was with Cleveland in training camp, so I know [Josh Gordon] very well.  He presents so many different problems it makes it difficult. The only downside on him is he’s so raw and young. He’s still got learning and experience to gain from playing in the NFL. So Cro can use his veteran savvy and experience to his advantage and I think that’ll work.”

– Jets WR David Nelson on the NFL’s leader in reception yardage WR Josh Gordon




67 comments
marcus81
marcus81

Jets should give players on the roster who don't play that much, a chance to get some playing time with these last 2 games to see who we're gonna keep, got a lot of picks next year.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

I will call it a decent season if Coples gets a sack tomorrow and is in the QBS face all game, Geno has 200 yards passing, 1TD, 60% completions, and only 1 turnover and make better decisions. I also want to see Milliner keep progressing and Allen play a substantial amount of snaps and show that he will be solid at safety. Oh, I also want to see a win. There is much to build on in this game if you look for it.

Bent
Bent

"Can the Jets slow Josh Gordon?"


No.


/thread

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Some of you will disagree, but I seen some real talent exhibited by Geno. I think with more experience and a improved supporting cast, this kid will surprise a lot of nay sayers. He came from a non pro style offense, a Jets offense in a rebuild mode, and a very weak supporting cast. Many of his problems are related to that. It is difficult , especially for a rookie to execute when protection is unstable and with no playmakers, it all ties together. How can you go through progressions when the line caves immediately, and wrs cant get open. I am not saying that he hasn't made poor decisions but being a rookie with all these obstacles what can you expect? I say with another full training camp and competition, putting some talent around him, we will see a huge step up from this kid. He has the physicals Sanchez wishes he had. It is just a matter of cultivating and supporting the kid with some meat around him and experience. Go Geno!

levi
levi

I say put Milliner on Gordon and let him get some good experience. A win only gives us a worse draft pick so let the young guys play.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

Sounds like a good challenge for Dee Milliner! Didn't Rex say he was gonna be great by the end of the season? Well, guess what? It is the end of the season!

I expect to see a great match-up of Milliner vs. Gordon!

marcus81
marcus81

@jake100 I would like to see what Geno does with better talent around him and another training camp too, he seems like he is poised enough in spite of making mistakes, given that the receivers keep dropping the ball and the O line let's jail break sacks get through. it would be easy for a QB to crumble under those circumstances.

ganggrncap
ganggrncap

@jake100


Ur freaking bananas bro. Take ur meds dude.  Personally Id ratha see Dana Patrick suit up in her muscle suit and attempt a pass rather than Geno again

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Geno played better the first half of the season,and then in true Jet QB tradition went backwards and regressed.

I've heard the excuses over and over. I remember hearing those same excuses for Sanchez.

What Geno is is the lowest rated, highest turnover QB in the NFL. With luck perhaps we can look forward to 17 turnovers and a QB rated in the bottom third next year.

Not all rookie QBs are a lifetime achievement award. Not all rookie QBs are turnover machines. This is two in a row for us, and I'm sick and tired if it.

It's time to dump Rex for a head coach that isn't a defensive coordinator, and draft a QB who completes passes to his own team as well as he does to the opposing one.

a57se
a57se

@levi 

The team has said they want to get a look at some of the young guys so why not match up Milliner on the Browns no. 1 WR?

We've created worse match-ups this year on the O'line in our attempt to develop Winters. The guys who play will still be trying to win.........

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@levi 

I say play the young guys more, the Jets need to start evaluating, but play to win the game.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi The team is going to try to win, they don't think like fans. 

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

@Neil Herschkowitz I'm just curious to know why it's Rex's fault that he has been stuck with inexperienced crappy QBs since he became the coach.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Milliner is a starter already, how much more can he possibly play? This is about match-ups, and let Milliner dominate a lesser WR and get some confidence going. You can't beat him down every week with tough assignments. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Im not saying forfeit the games, although it does kinda read that way. The point is they are meaningless as far as playoffs go.You have no confidence in Milliner? I dont have much in Cro these days. We could still win unless Milliner does horribly. Im sure he will get a few chances on Gordon tomorrow.

a57se
a57se

@Neil Herschkowitz 

Some prefer a sunshine and lollipops approach to all things on this Blog.... and get pissed at people who try and be objective. You are new so you haven't seen it yet but keep posting, you'll get labelled a negative Nellie!

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Wow...I thought we all were Jets fans. What's with all the name calling? You all sound like the Jets locker room two years ago.

I see precious little excellence on our team. The D line is absolutely elite . Ivory is a beast , and Kurley is a talented receiver.

Other then that I'm sorry to say I see a few guys with potential, and much mediocrity.

Guys like Mangold and D'Brick are getting old,and their play is falling off. Our new GM had better draft well,and be smart in the free agent market.

There are so many bad team's around that we can still with a strong draft and lots of cap room do ok. The problem is NE always dominates,and the Dolphins are now an ok team for sure.

It's a long hard road in front of us.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@Hanknaples 

We can probably find tons of posts from you and others ripping all the  'professional analysts' you just listed but you shamelessly try and use them to justify your silly position?

Amazing!

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Hank, please show me what professional analyst had the Jets at 10 wins. I'm not talking about fan predictions. 


TOTJ is a good blog, but it's not made up of "professional analysts." 


NYDN, NY Post, ESPN (who had them as the worst team in the league), Yahoo, CBS Sports...they all had the Jets being worse than they currently are. 


And please stop using terms like "man up" to try and bully me into paying for a bet that you never made. 


And seeing how you've never paid up on bets you did actually make with me, I'm going to laugh harder each time you try to paint me as a re-negger. I have a proven history of paying up for bets I've lost, with many witnesses here on the blog. You don't, mainly because you've never paid up on a bet you've lost here, so pipe down with the holier than thou act, you hypocrite. 

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Somewhere between the polar opposites of Brendan and Hank is the truth.As much as I would like to see Rex go, there are things I will miss about him.

I would have enjoyed seeing him with a good QB. What a difference maker that is, and what a multitude of sins it covers up.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

You are wishing for the perfect HC and you are never gonna find him. Every coaches clock management sucks. And Rex's game plan to play good D and run the ball works. It's what the Panthers, 9ers, chiefs and Seahawks do. It has always and will always work. If the damn QBs we have cut down on the damn turnovers it would work for us.

P.S. the Jets are ranked 9th in 3rd down efficiency.

Brendan
Brendan

@Neil Herschkowitz "Fell apart." 


The team was predicted to win 4 games and that was before half the team spent a ton of time on the injury report. 

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

@Neil Herschkowitz I see very little evidence that the team lacks structure or discipline.  I see a lot of evidence that the team lacks talent and/or experience in a few areas. I also see evidence that some decisions seem to be coming from above Rex (Winters, Geno).

I disagree that the pre-snap penalties are his fault...I think that's more that the game moves way too fast for the QB.  He's supposed to be the leader of the offense, dictate the tempo, make pre-snap adjustments...and he's not very good in any of these areas.  What do you want the coach to do about that? Push-ups? Yell and scream? What?   

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

No,it's Rexs fault his team lacks structure and discipline, and once again fell apart after the bye. It's his fault there is no system of consistency in place. It's his fault game and clock management suck. It's his fault pre snap penalties are off the charts. It's his fault the D can't get off the field on third down,and it's his fault washed up guys like Reed take playing time away from younger players with promise.

Oh,and it's also his fault that Sanchez got injured in pre season and Geno couldn't sit and learn like the rookie needed to.

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

@a57se
Aren't there supposed to be rules against posting under multiple accounts?

a57se
a57se

@Neil Herschkowitz 

Yeah, brendan likes to start with me any chance he gets. I get tired of it but I won't just let it pass without calling him on it.

The ironic thing here is that he is defending Joeyboy (apparently), the guy Brendan tried so hard to get banned a year and a half ago!

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

and I see you still obfuscate and deflect when you are in the wrong and your duplicitous nature is exposed.

levi
levi

@Brendan haha Oh hes good. I think he just looks at things differently than some of us. I for one enjoy a glimpse into Hanks world.

levi
levi

@Hanknaples Youre really playing up the senile part. Good job.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I see everyone pointing out your recent tear of irrational behavior in the chat really sunk in. 

levi
levi

@Hanknaples haha well in my scenario you are the senile Grampa, 57 is the grumpy Uncle and Brendan is the overly energetic kid thats always gonna try to "best" ya. I guess that makes Bent the father always trying to keep the family together.

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

@Neil Herschkowitz Ummm...it is.  But some of us have been here a while, so we also spend time talking about other stuff too.  Not sure what the big deal with that is.

levi
levi

@MikeFrancesser Could be  JB with less LOLing to throw us off.

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

What an inordinate amount of time is spent here by the same five people discussing their personalities.

I thought this was a football blog, not a tea party soap opera.

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

@a57se 
For the record, I think Jake is Joeyboy.  JetFeul disappears, now someone else with the same language tendencies and same talking points resurfaces...it's fishy. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

and this is where I take issue with you, I was joking with Mike, not responding to Jake yet you come in admonishing me but haven't said a word to mike who compared Jake to joeyboy.

I might actually bother to listen to you if you did the same thing to your buddies when they are exaggerating my position on things.....or if you stopped doing that yourself!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se This is why people take issue with you. 


Jake is not saying that's what is necessary. You exaggerate his point to bash him for it, and that's unfair. Improved play at the skill positions WOULD help Geno. And "improved play" could be as simple as "getting guys to be healthy for a full year for once," but acting like Geno with all his tools is the same player as Geno without Holmes & Kerley, Winslow, Hill for some games, Ivory for some games, etc. is misleading. 

a57se
a57se

@MikeFrancesser@a57se@jake100 

Well if we had 5 All Pro Offensive Linemen, two Rob Gronkowski clones, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson to help Geno out, we'd be able to get a fair evaluation.....How do OTHER teams DO IT????

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No, I think he should still match up with Gordon sometimes, but I would rather let him get a game going where he has the upper hand against his assignment in terms of ability. 

levi
levi

@jake100 I know, Allen was putting it all together then gets benched for Reed. Reed is one of my all time favorite players but Im not sure he should be starting.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Brendan @jake100 

Talking about guys like Allen, but I agree with what you say mostly. No need to over play guys like Reed at this point, lets take  a look at some of the 1-2 year players a little more.  Milliner I agree, let him keep playing/learning and don't throw him to the wolves unless absolutely necessary, but with no playoffs, nothing is absolutely necessary. 

levi
levi

@Brendan I agree, keep Gordon under control and we SHOULD win.

Brendan
Brendan

@MikeFrancesser For the record, I was thinking something like 125 yards would be "containing him." 

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

@bob @MikeFrancesser That's an interesting thought :)

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

I was thinking Gordon is going to catch for 150+ yards.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi Geno would have to throw like three pick-6's. 


If Gordon runs wild, the Jets probably lose. If they contain him, they probably win. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Oh I dont know if thats the only way we can lose. Ive seen terrible ST and Geno could lose us the game too. However I feel pretty good about our chances.

bob
bob

@levi@Brendan


I'm thinking that both Cro and Millner will be on him pending where lines up.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I'm sure they'll take their turns, hopefully with safety help over the top. 


Gordon is literally the only guy that can beat them tomorrow, please don't let it happen, Rex.